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    Every year. Not one or the other; pick. My statement was an absolute. There is no division in football tougher than the B12 South.
    Sorry but I think SEC East is tougher than the B12 South year in and year out, every year. The B12 is Texas and Oklahoma. And, then sometimes OSU will be decent, maybe TA&M is ok. It's still just Texas and Oklahoma.

    At least with the SEC East, they have three teams always in the mix in Georgia, Florida, and Tennessee. And, their secondary teams are better with South Carolina and Kentucky.

    The SEC West might be tougher on a given year, but they don't have the consistency of the SEC East, and they're starting to be ruled by one school, LSU. Both Auburn and Alabama have not been able to be consistently great like LSU has.

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    You have so much venom for the guy. Let it go already. He's not coming back.

    And, thanks for the insight about losing when West Virginia lost Pat White against Pitt. USC lost to Standford without Jon David Booty. Look at Oregon after Denis Dixon was lost for the season. Let's be real, once you lose your star starting quarterback, even if you make adjustments, it's still pretty tough to win even against teams you should beat.
    LSU lost their starting QB and still won, in a championship game.
    Last edited by romad_20; 01-08-2008 at 05:22 PM.

  3. #78
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    Every year. Not one or the other; pick. My statement was an absolute. There is no division in football tougher than the B12 South.
    Listen, I've grown to love Big 12 football actually since living here, but the statements you're making are kind of out there, that's why my comments are getting more homerish toward the SEC. The big 12 south is a great division but it doesn't have the perennial powerhouses that the SEC east has. , I think UT and OU would have a great deal of success in the SEC if they were to play there but the rest of the league at this point just couldn't hang.

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    LSU lost their starting QB and still won, in a championship game.
    LSU's back-up QB actually had a lot of experience throughout the season because Miles used him periodically.

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    Listen, I've grown to love Big 12 football actually since living here, but the statements you're making are kind of out there, that's why my comments are getting more homerish toward the SEC. The big 12 south is a great division but it doesn't have the perennial powerhouses that the SEC east has. , I think UT and OU would have a great deal of success in the SEC if they were to play there but the rest of the league at this point just couldn't hang.
    Since 2000, (behind Boise) in winning %
    2 UT
    3 uo
    27 ttek
    52 atm
    61 OSU
    106 Baylor

    SEC West
    7 LSU
    12 Auburn
    43 arKy
    54 Bama
    60 Ole Miss
    107 Miss St

    SEC East
    9 UGA
    14 Fla
    17 Tenn
    45 USC
    99 UK
    112 Vandy

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    LSU's back-up QB actually had a lot of experience throughout the season because Miles used him periodically.
    Yeah, I know, I'm just stirring up . Man, I bet Texas fans are wishing they had him back. I think he's going to be a game breaker next year. Not quite as good, but similar to the VY style of play.

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    Since 2000, (behind Boise) in winning %
    2 UT
    3 uo
    27 ttek
    52 atm
    61 OSU
    106 Baylor

    SEC West
    7 LSU
    12 Auburn
    43 arKy
    54 Bama
    60 Ole Miss
    107 Miss St

    SEC East
    9 UGA
    14 Fla
    17 Tenn
    45 USC
    99 UK
    112 Vandy

    If you think about it, the toughest conference wouldn't yield TWO of the top top 3 highest winning percentages over such a period of time. Again, it shows that the B12 South is pretty much run by Texas and Oklahoma and they beat up on everyone else. Having two perennial top feeders doesn't prove that division is the toughest.

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    Since 2000, (behind Boise) in winning %
    2 UT
    3 uo
    27 ttek
    52 atm
    61 OSU
    106 Baylor

    SEC West
    7 LSU
    12 Auburn
    43 arKy
    54 Bama
    60 Ole Miss
    107 Miss St

    SEC East
    9 UGA
    14 Fla
    17 Tenn
    45 USC
    99 UK
    112 Vandy
    Doesn't that just prove the East is stronger? If you've got 3 good teams they all can't win all the time but they're all in the top 17.

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    With 2 100 teams? That's not tough.

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    With 2 100 teams? That's not tough.
    No one said the B12 South wasn't tough. You were arguing it was the toughest in the country. SEC East is still tougher.

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    yay

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    Sorry but I think SEC East is tougher than the B12 South year in and year out, every year. The B12 is Texas and Oklahoma. And, then sometimes OSU will be decent, maybe TA&M is ok. It's still just Texas and Oklahoma.

    At least with the SEC East, they have three teams always in the mix in Georgia, Florida, and Tennessee. And, their secondary teams are better with South Carolina and Kentucky.

    The SEC West might be tougher on a given year, but they don't have the consistency of the SEC East, and they're starting to be ruled by one school, LSU. Both Auburn and Alabama have not been able to be consistently great like LSU has.
    OU - UF (SEC)
    UT - UGA (push, due to le)
    A&M - Tenn (SEC)
    Okie St - UK (B12)
    Tech - USC (B12)
    Baylor - Vandy (SEC)

    I see your point.

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    OU - UF (SEC)
    UT - UGA (push, due to le)
    A&M - Tenn (SEC)
    Okie St - UK (B12)
    Tech - USC (B12)
    Baylor - Vandy (SEC)

    I see your point.
    uh, no.

    OU-UF (push)
    t.u.-UGA (SEC)
    A&M-Tenn (SEC)
    osu-UK (SEC)
    tekk-USC (B12)
    Baylor-Vandy (SEC)

    ...UGA would work t.u.

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    Recent history says ttek is the 3rd best team in the B12. They are the only B12 team to be.500 or better the last 14-15 years in a row. Even Tennessee and UGA have had at least one losing season during that time.

    UK might have whooped OSU this year, but to put UK ahead of OSU is either ignornant or uninformed. OSU has 60 wins the past 10 years while UK has 46. Last 20 is 108 - 88. Last 30 is 168 - 138. etc

    And I'm not going to defend uo, but no way in Fla is a better program than them. Ya'll are looking at just one year when you compare head-to-head. We are talking all the time.

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    Recent history says ttek is the 3rd best team in the B12. They are the only B12 team to be.500 or better the last 14-15 years in a row. Even Tennessee and UGA have had at least one losing season during that time.

    UK might have whooped OSU this year, but to put UK ahead of OSU is either ignornant or uninformed. OSU has 60 wins the past 10 years while UK has 46. Last 20 is 108 - 88. Last 30 is 168 - 138. etc

    And I'm not going to defend uo, but no way in Fla is a better program than them. Ya'll are looking at just one year when you compare head-to-head. We are talking all the time.
    you are a true fan when you are arguing your way from 6th to 5th place in your conference, normally at that point nobody gives a

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    Recent history says ttek is the 3rd best team in the B12. They are the only B12 team to be.500 or better the last 14-15 years in a row. Even Tennessee and UGA have had at least one losing season during that time.

    UK might have whooped OSU this year, but to put UK ahead of OSU is either ignornant or uninformed. OSU has 60 wins the past 10 years while UK has 46. Last 20 is 108 - 88. Last 30 is 168 - 138. etc

    And I'm not going to defend uo, but no way in Fla is a better program than them. Ya'll are looking at just one year when you compare head-to-head. We are talking all the time.
    Admit you are wrong and move on.

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    you are a true fan when you are arguing your way from 6th to 5th place in your conference, normally at that point nobody gives a

    Yeah, thanks for jumping in with a worthless after I defended your team when they got completely embarrased for the 2nd year in a row. You are right, Ohio loses to big teams because the conf they play in is weak and they don't know what real compe ion is. And you obviously can't even read the point because due to your quote you way missed it.

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    Admit you are wrong and move on.
    Facts don't lie; don't be swole because they don't support your arguement.

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    Yeah, thanks for jumping in with a worthless after I defended your team when they got completely embarrased for the 2nd year in a row. You are right, Ohio loses to big teams because the conf they play in is weak and they don't know what real compe ion is. And you obviously can't even read the point because due to your quote you way missed it.
    how many BCS games has Oklahoma State played in? yeah shut the up, Ohio State is 10x the school Okie State is.

    Plus, this was a rebuilding year for Ohio State. Oklahoma State could bring in their best team and not even sniff a BCS Game

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    how many BCS games has Oklahoma State played in? yeah shut the up, Ohio State is 10x the school Okie State is.

    Plus, this was a rebuilding year for Ohio State. Oklahoma State could bring in their best team and not even sniff a BCS Game
    Lol; get out much? Hey, isn't Dan Majerle gay?

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    Lol; get out much? Hey, isn't Dan Majerle gay?
    yeah good comeback

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    Hunker down you hairy Dawgs! romad_20's Avatar
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    Facts don't lie; don't be swole because they don't support your arguement.

    Your facts haven't supported anything but my arguements. You posts stats about the big 12 and then I post stats showing the SEC is better and you don't refute it, you just state the same stuff over and over. Big 12 south is not as good as the SEC East and anyone who knows college football wouldn't state otherwise but you. It's not like I'm saying the Big 12 south is trash and the SEC east is unbeatable, they're a good division just not the toughest in college football. Anyway this arguement will never be resolved until we get a playoff and teams actually get to play each other.

    And just remember what that SEC east team did to your Big 12 school at the beginning of the year. I think the score was something like 35-14 and that was before they were even playing close to the level they were at the end of the year.
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