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Who's oberto?
You and Sequ have both quit on your team over and over. You are both good fans, who both talk out of your asses sometimes.
Who's oberto?
Spurs fans pretending to be Cavs fans?
New low?
Did i say trade him? Nope I said we should try and get an upgrade and move him to the bench. I mean we have depth at the wing with Manu, Finley, Bowen, Berry, and Udoka. Plus we have Elson who looks to have moved into the Malik and Nazr doghouse. So what would you rather do, Stand Pat or try and upgrade the team by moving two guys who are expendable?
I didn't realize shuffling the team around was so personal to you. Outside of Tim, Manu, Tony, and Bowen I really don't care if we move players as long as it makes us a better team. I bet you were one of those people who cried when Malik was traded to New York.
If wanting to make the Spurs a better basketball team makes me a hater then so be it. I'd rather be that then some blind fan who will follow an inconsistent player off a cliff because you want to remember some of the good games he'd had.
TP for center..... he's a league leader in points in the paint and he shoots free throws as a center .
Oberto did flop. But it was also offensive. If not for running into Oberto, right before that for pushing with off arm on Bowen. But you aren't going to get that call that often.
Anyway, the Spurs game wasn't about a flop, or TP's missed free thows or Manu's miss at the end, it was about playing like crap for the majority of the game. If you keep getting down big, you have to expend all your energy crawling back. You could tell Tony/Manu were running out of gas at the end.
Anyway, Spurs Big 3 were pretty decent today. The rest of the team sucked though.
Write down all the excuses or complaints you want.
"We won't win with this old team."
"It's only one loss."
"Our bigs outside Tim suck."
"4 Rings!!"
blahblahblah
The Spurs aren't a very cohesive unit right now. Blame it on too many injuries not giving them enough time on the court together. Blame it on not enough trust in the role players, leading to too much one-on-one play from Manu and Tony. Blame it on Duncan not trying that hard on D.
I'm not that worried. Last year in January, I didn't like the Spurs team and I worried/complained a lot. I hated our bigs and I thought Barry should be dealt. Pop and the Spurs f'd me over and won a Championship. So apparently they know what they are doing.
Pop will call them soft. The team will respond. They'll go on a 10 game winning streak. They'll drop a couple games to crap teams. And then we'll roll the dice and head into the playoffs and see what happens.
I'm not firing up the flares yet. I was only stating Oberto's lack of cahoones. There is a hole in our interior defense that I wish our management could help via trade,but realistically i know its probably not going to happen. When it's all said and done in May and godwillingly June its going to come down to the Horry's interior Defense, The play of the Big 3, Injuries, and we will need two of our other wings to be on from three. What saddens me is when its said and done we are going to rely on 37 year old Horry to play like he did in 07 defensively for us to be where we want to be.
lol WELL PUT SSCARRJ
Nope I applauded the trade 100%I bet you were one of those people who cried when Malik was traded to New York.
but of course when one assumes....
No, Im just realistic.If wanting to make the Spurs a better basketball team makes me a hater then so be it. I'd rather be that then some blind fan who will follow an inconsistent player off a cliff because you want to remember some of the good games he'd had.
You cannot and will not acquire a better center than Fabricio Oberto in today's league with what the Spurs have without screwing up the chemistry of this team.
period.
You could sign PJ Brown and move Oberto to the bench or perhaps trade him for a pack of skittles. I.E Scola deal
Maybe "will not" is true. But "cannot" is crazy. It's possible to trade without f'ing up your team. Remember when everyone said Detroit destroyed their team chemistry by trading for Rasheed.
Yeah just like in the finals when Horry hardly played.When it's all said and done in May and godwillingly June its going to come down to the Horry's interior Defense,
Cannot.Maybe "will not" is true. But "cannot" is crazy. It's possible to trade without f'ing up your team. Remember when everyone said Detroit destroyed their team chemistry by trading for Rasheed.
There isn't one single center available that will become the new starter.
Oberto is a solid, smart, good player who fits the starting center.
There isn't a center out there thats gonna walk through that door that will supplant him.
Period.
Seeing as hes retired that would be tough.You could sign PJ Brown and move Oberto to the bench or perhaps trade him for a pack of skittles. I.E Scola deal
Yes, trade a clutch, big game center in Oberto for nothing.
More genius!!!
Spurs could have won against the cavs with Bonner at the 5. Cavs were the worst opponent Spurs faced the whole playoffs. Horry's interior defense during the duration of the previous three series was vital to the Spurs success last year.
Last edited by MaNu4Tres; 01-18-2008 at 02:23 AM.
Okay, Mr. y Asshole Authority on basketball.
Get off the forum and come back and read your posts to see what a prick you are being.
Your obnoxious level is ridiculous. Stop talking down to people in everyone of your obnoxious posts.
Remember when you turned over a new leaf at your surgery and you were going to start treating people better? How long did that last? Two weeks?
You are an obnoxious windbag.
Wow, someone else does it and its ok.
The hypocrisy continues.
I gave an opinion.
Sorry that opinions aren't wanted anymore.
I was making fun of the Scola deal, you oblivious spurs homer. I wouldn't trade Oberto for nothing obviously. And P.J Brown hasn't retired. Call me crazy but i still wish pop would give Elson some consistent minutes for a 10 game span. Elson gets lost time to time but hes not looking for flops defensively thats for sure.
"CANNOT"
Wow, someone else does it and its ok.
The hypocrisy continues.
I gave an opinion.
Sorry that opinions aren't wanted anymore.
"PERIOD"
No, you didn't offer an opinion. You talk down to everyone. And everyone is sick of it. Mainly me. You don't have any respect for anyone. You treat everyone like you know more than them. News flash. You don't.
"Oberto....the prettiest ugliest player alive" - greg popovich
Amen, i'm glad you said it.
1. Sam Cassell
2. Ben Wallace
3. Eddy Curry
4. Zach Randolph
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What was the original question??? I'm sorry I got distracted by all the Oberto bashing and defending. The funny thing is, no one is even saying to trade Oberto.
I find it funny that lost in the fray is the crappy play of Francisco Elson, Matt Bonner, and Robert Horry.
Truth be told, NONE of the Spurs big men (outside of Duncan) inspire any confidence going forward.
Personally, I think Oberto is the most consistent and intelligent, but you can only really count on him to play 20-25 MPG because he gets in foul trouble. And I guess you can hope in a resurgent Robert Horry giving it his one last hurrah. Other than that, the Spurs are pretty much screwed.
So here's the question....
If the Spurs make a trade, will they try to add another big man that would hopefully bring a solid presence, or will the try to add another swingman and resort to going into the playoffs with the small-ball strategy?
Either way, I think it's apparent that something has to be done. Based on the amount of minutes Pop is employing the small-ball lineup, it is clear he's lost a great deal of confidence in his frontline role players.
Bottom Line: Oberto is not the issue...the entire frontcourt outside of Duncan is the issue.
So getting back to the original question I would say to trade one of the frontcourt players (preferably Elson) for cap space and try to pick up PJ Brown, or for another swingman (Rasual Butler?) and concede to go small-ball.
though i dont like tpark very much, i'm going to defend him here-
its easy to bag on players for a single play- a missed free throw, a late rotation, a botched layup, an unecessary foul etc etc. But a game of basketball isnt one play, and a season is much more than that. there is a reason the playoffs are 7 game series.
on top of that, NBA bigs dont grow on trees and the salary cap makes it even more difficult to get them. the list of good defensive NBA bigs making less than the MLE has probably less than 5 entries. you cant expect the same production from a 3mill a year player than you do a 10 mill a year player. the less money, the more specialized their role, and oberto's role is indeed specialized. the only guy who we might be able to snag for oberto-level money is pj brown, but brown and oberto are practically the same player.
on top of that, learning the spurs system takes time and in all likelihood any acquisition would be a step back in the short term.
finally, as phat tony mentioned, all of our bigs are playing pretty crap, and I would include duncan in that group. the only way cheap bigs like horry, oberto, elson, bonner are going to look decent in this league is with duncan playing well, especially on the defensive end.
so, to summarize, oberto is a limited player, but he has his strengths, and shotblocking isnt one of them, so its a waste of time to expect that from him. replacing him is difficult and probably not a good idea at this point in the season. his play isnt going to make or break the season; there is a reason Duncan is the team's MVP.
I hardly think Fabs was "looking to flop".
Tell you what. Give me 10 feet to build the speed, stand there with your hands in the air while I lower my head into your stomach at 40 mph, and when you go flying backwards on your ass, tell me you were "just flopping". It was such an obvious call. Yet the refs stood there mute.
I suppose Tony, when he went in, took it across the face so hard he couldn't get up off the floor, was "just floppin" too. And BTW, that one was obvious and wasn't called either.
I hate to let you in on a secret, but there IS NO SUCH THING AS AN UNBIASED OPINION.
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