Yes! Steal away from Atlanta the number one reason for all their postseason success!
That would be a dream trade. Can't see the Hornets being that dumb. Now, if Isaiah Thomas were their GM, then maybe he'd fall for it.....
I still think what we need is a big man (C or PF) who can bang for rebounds. Doesn't need to be a scorer. Jeff Foster? Chris Wilcox?
or maybe we just need elson to stop SHOOTING.. dude is worthless
Are you kidding me? The West hase been extremelly deep the past several years and Paul is still young. If the playoffs started today San Antonio would have the fifth seed. New Orleans is currently leading the Southwest division, meaning that Paul's team has a better record than San Antonio, Dallas, and Houston. Paul is unqestionably the best player on the team with the second best record in the Western Conference. The guy is a franchise player.
No doubt. He's ridonculous.
looking at that list, i say...
elton brand. and if not...
dikembe mutombo! and if not...
RASHO NESTEROVIC! WE'D BE UNSTOPPABLE AGAIN!
Wally? s no.
Sam Cassell...hah, I have a funny story about him. But I don't know if I should share it on here. But uh, let's just say I ran into him. That said, I'd take him in a heart beat. Dude's a beast. (Old beast maybe, now. But still a solid backup PG)
Pay up and buy out Splitter's contract and get him over here already!
Another guy who has apparently fallen out of the rotation and might be worth a look.....Damien Wilkins in Seattle.
He's a tough-nosed G/F making a decently low salary (easy to trade with Elson), he plays for a team where the GM has good relations with the Spurs, and they might be looking to shed long-term salary (making about $3M for two years beyond this one).
Elson for Wilkins...DO IT!
I'd rather look at Butler or Pietrus than Wilkins.
Beggars can't be choosers....
PLEASE GOD, TAKE ELSON!
But your point is well taken, I would prefer the others as well.
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I can certainly see the point in thinking seriously about Cassell for a number of reasons, not the least of which is his ability to score. Of course, his desire to score might be one reason to not give that thought much regard. It does seem that the Spurs could use another scorer -- or at least another guy who can score -- and of the places to plug in such a player on this roster, PG would seem to be the most logical place to plug-and-play. Add to that the fact that Sam's deal is expiring and that he's making somewhere around $6.15 M in 2007-08 and the parts are there to make a deal, perhaps.
But I'd be surprised if the Clippers really want to take back salary for Sam at this point and, if that's true, the Spurs options for dealing for Cassell are pretty limited. As much as I hate to say it, I think this team might need Brent Barry more than most of us might have thought and beyond Barry, I'm not sure that the Spurs have a lot of attractive contracts to offer the Clippers. The better bet might be waiting to see if Cassell is waived and then taking a chance that there's enough of a friendship with Robert Horry to make Cassell think hard about coming to SA. He's a much more logical fit, though, in other places (Denver immediately comes to mind).
I wouldn't mind thinking about the Szczerbiak thing, either, but there seem to be two practical impediments to making such a deal: (1) Wally's deal is huge and it would take some big pieces of the Spurs puzzle to get him; and (2) Sam Presti knows the Spurs' personnel about as well as anyone in the association and can't be sold a bill of goods on a player who might appear to be better than he actually is. #2 comes with the caveat that Presti might be more willing to take on a particularly-favored player, but I don't know that the Spurs have enough of those (still) to put together a deal for Wally.
Why would Cassell get waived?
Any case, I'd take Sam-I-Am in a heartbeat for Elson + Bonner or one of those plus Barry, even. He'd be a difference maker and give us a real shot in the arm.
Waived is the wrong word -- bought out is what I meant. I could see a scenario in which the Clippers might buy him out and in that situation, I would think the Spurs would be fairly low on his priority list.
You might take those deals, but what's in those deals for the Clippers?
For those Spurs fans who are willing to trade Barry; I'd go as far to say as he's possibly the 5th most important player on the team (after Duncan, Parker, Ginobili, and Bowen). He's the Spurs best 3 point shooter which helps open up the floor for the Big 3 and as evidenced by our recent slump in December...3 point shooting is very important to the Spurs offense. Add to it, he's the best ball handler/passer outside of Parker, Duncan, and Ginobili on the team. I'd rather get rid of Elson, Bonner, Finley, etc before Barry.
Whatever happened to the possibility of getting Maggette?
What could we get for Duncan?
He has played very well this year and hasn't really been in the coach's doghouse.
Whereas last year the idea of a Barry/Udrih swap may have sounded intriguing, I'm not sure a Barry/Elson one seems similarly attractive.
The other looming issue is that of third-string PG. Right now the Spurs' de facto third-stringer is Barry....so it would be tough to lose that.
Clippers probably would keep him until the end of the year. Old as he is, he's the best point they've got with Livingston still injured. With Maggette and Brand probably back next year, they can convince Cassell to stick around and play/mentor/coach next year, too. At least it's a shot.
we need barry.
We need someone who can rebound not named Tim duncan.
On Chad Ford's latest podcast, John Hollinger says that he sees the Spurs as a team that will probably make a trade come deadline because they need a few different pieces. Most insider types also suspect that the Mavs are stealing a page from the Spurs book and waiting to peek--for example, Henry Abbott points out that they are purposefully not using their most potent back court combination so that, more or less, they don't blow their wad too early.
Don't know. I wonder how the Spurs brass views him. He's obviously got a good mid-range game - something very few guys on the current roster have. Good FT shooter and rebounder, too.
I don't understand why some of you want to get rid of Finley. Yes, Barry might be one of our hottest shooters, but that's all he is, a spot-up shooter. He is very good at it, but he can't create anything. Mike Fin, in my opinion, still has alot left in the tank, and I think we can still get 2 or 3 more solid years from him. I think most of you underestimate Finley, and don't appreciate what he can do for this team. If Barry was to be traded, I would hope it's for a 3rd PG, maybe a scorer-type guy. We have a very,very solid guy in Vaughn that I love, and he is a true PG, a leader on and off the court, and he understands the system and directs it very well. That's fine and dandy, but when Tony needs some extra rest and Vaughn comes out of the game, we couldd always use a scorer at the PG position.
With that being said, Sczerbiak might look good right now, but he is injury prone, and I wouldn't risk getting him and having him inactive because of injuries down the road. Besides, his contract is huge and we can't take on a contract like that.
Cassell is too old, no matter how good he might be playing. So I think you know my answer to this.....NO!
Remember, it seems like Pop and crew are taking a good look at Jeremy Richardson, and I think he can develop into a well-rounded player for us. He has shown in his limited playing time that he isn't afraid to take shots when he's open, and thats a very good sign. Just the fact that they even re-signed him to another 10-day contract tells you something about him. At the end of this contract, they could very well sign him for the rest of the season. So if you think we need to trade for another wing player, watch out because I think we might already have him.
I think most of you seem to have not noticed that Horry's playing time has pretty much evaporated recently, and he was inactive in the Charlotte game. There have been rumors that he doesn't trust Pop to take this team to a back-to-back championship, and even when he does play, he hasn't played very well. Now, I know this is where you're gonna come in and say "Just wait till the playoffs, he'll be fine", but I think right now the roster spot he is taking up is being wasted. I'm not saying to trade him, but if it happened, I wouldn't mind it. I think Rob is a good player when he is playing well, but he hasn't shown much production this season.
And for the Elson haters, I know he hasn't done much this year, but I still believe that if he was used the right way in this system, he can be very productive. He just needs the opporitunity to go out there and play the way that I think he is capable of playing. He's not a post-up guy, he might not have a vast array of offensive moves or skills, but in the right situations he can produce. He is a shooter, slasher, and very athletic. If Pop has him coming off some type of baseline cut, or if they looked for him more on pick and rolls and pick and pops, I think he can score about 8 ppg, which wouldn't hurt us. I think Oberto is a good player, but he is overrated. I love the guy, and he's done well for us, but Pop has to give Elson a chance to prove that he is at least the 2nd center on the depth chart. Horry has fallen out of favor as far as playing time is concerned, and Bonner is an outside guy. Sure, he has all the hustle and energy in the world, and we all love that about him, but you can't expect much else out of him besides the rebounds and 3 point shooting.
All in all, I think our backcourt is fine. It's the FRONTCOURT that we need to solidify. Just give Elson more playing time, let him do what he does best on the court, which is run, cut, and shoot, and we'll see what you guys think about that. Maybe a Barry trade for a 3rd PG, and we should be fine.
Could've said exactly the same thing at exactly the same time last year...
The only guy I'd part with from this roster is Elson - Udoka is rounding into form nicely, Barry's shooting and passing are essential to the bench, Bonner's energy can be fantastic if only Pop would use him properly.
However, something that must be considered in any trade is that it takes a long time for a player to get used to the system here, so either the player has to be very smart or able to contribute something largely outside of the system. Thus, I think it's unlikely that Pop makes a major trade. He might swap Elson for someone like Pietrus, but then again that would leave us short on bigs.
Most of the trades in this thread don't make any sense for both teams, but Elson for Pietrus actually does for both teams - Golden State are short on big men (Biedrins, Harrington IS IT!) and have too many wings, while Elson is the sort of big that can run the floor and thus would fit their system. Intriguing. But it relies on the premise that Horry still has something left in the tank, and I'm not very sure about that... he may be done. If that is the case, we'd then be severely short on bigs.
BTW, nice to have you back GW!
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