Kidd-to-Mavs rumor

[sribb43]

forgot that Kiki now works for the Nets in the front office as a special assistant to Rod Thorn, maybe he would be doing the mavs a favor, much like Mchale did for Ainge in Boston

[monosylab1k]

you want to win now you get Kidd..you want to win 55-60 games the next 3 or 4 years w/ no le dont acquire Kidd

agreed. i know people will say "there's still no guarantee of a le with Kidd" which is absolutely true, but we're CLOSER. and we're closer RIGHT NOW.

Dirk is on the downside of his prime. I'd say he's got 2 more years to be a dominant player before he starts sliding. Not saying he'll ever be a bad player, just he won't be playing at the level he has for the past 3 years.

Howard is right at his prime. He won't be getting any better.

Other than Devin Harris & Bass, there really is zero upside on this team. This is about as good as this unit is going to get. And at their best, they've failed. Adding Jason Kidd can only make this unit better right now.

I'm sick of the playoff flameouts. Absolutely ing sick of em. Call me crazy, but there's times where I almost prefer the 90's when they were awful. At least when they sucked, I didn't get a giant emotional stomach punch in May.

I'd rather mortgage the future for one final go-for-broke charge at a le, instead of watching more flameouts for the next 3 or 4 years.

[monosylab1k]

just to let you know, Magloire is one of the worst defensive centers in the league today

i understand that, but he's a big body that can play center. that's all i'm really looking for here. he won't get minutes in the playoffs, but it doesn't matter because we're going with a 7 man rotation regardless. all this talk of "depth" is way overrated. like i said, depth is advantageous only to spell your starters in the regular season - depth is meaningless come playoff time.

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I can understand Kidd but Magliore, come on...it should tell you something if he cant get playing time on the Nets, a team that lacks size..heck even Jason Collins gets more clock than Magliore

Magliore has shown that he is capable of giving effective minutes, and if we were to lose Diop, I would at least want some kind of big man in return.

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Bass was in his 2nd year....Magliore has been in the league 10+ years, there is no upside

Actually, this is his 8th season, and he has already actually proven himself to be a capable player. He even made the all-star team one year (although it was in a weak East, he still played pretty well)

[ludda]

On NBA fastbreak, they mentioned Harris in the deal (the 3 way with Portland). So Mavs would be giving up: Harris, Stack, George, Diop. THe trade works out with Harris going to Portland and Outlaw/Jack/Diop going to Nets. Anyways I didn't really listen but that's the main points.

But this is the same deal that Cuban reportedly said "step away from your crack dealer" to as Findog posted, so no Kidd to Dallas. I'm sure the trade is pending on if Mavs are willing to give up Harris. IMO Harris + Diop + Stack is quite a lot for Kidd.

[ludda]

Kidd with his BFF Lebron would be fun to watch, but too bad the Cavs don't have anything the Nets want.

[Findog]

Harris is not worth giving up Kidd period. Maybe all these Kidd knobgobblers should realize they're not getting vintage 2002 Jason Kidd, but the 2008 model with another 50,000 miles on the odometer. And most of the scenarios have Dallas sending 4 players to Jersey but getting only Kidd back. That would leave Jersey with 17 players on their roster, meaning they'd have to cut two guys but still pay them. Does that make sense? And you can forget about including Devean George in the deal. He gets to approve any trade involving him - doubt he'd rather play for NJ than an elite team in the West. Or the scenario sending Harris to Portland - we want to send our good young PG to a conference rival that already has Aldridge, Oden and Roy and deal with that for the next ten years?

Harris is not worth giving up for Kidd, this year or down the line. At this point in his career, I'd only want Kidd here if we can get a bargain for him. All of the vociferous Donnie/Cuban/AJ critics will get their roster shakeup wish if the Mavs have another playoff exit. Point guard has not been a weakness for us this year.

A 2-guard that is an upgrade over Hassell/Jones/Ager/George is our biggest need. Wrecking your cap situation and doing a major roster shakeup (necessary to match salaries) in mid-season in order to go from a Honda Civic (Devin) to a Honda Accord (Kidd) is nuts to me. When you're a team like the Mavs that has a decent chance to win a le AS IS, this seems like a major risk, at least the scenarios that have been posited.

[monosylab1k]

All of the vociferous Donnie/Cuban/AJ critics will get their roster shakeup wish if the Mavs have another playoff exit.

By then will it be too late? With the emergence of Chris Paul and Gred Oden looming, the "we can shake things up later" theory might end up being too little, too late.

[da_suns_fan]

On NBA fastbreak, they mentioned Harris in the deal (the 3 way with Portland). So Mavs would be giving up: Harris, Stack, George, Diop. THe trade works out with Harris going to Portland and Outlaw/Jack/Diop going to Nets. Anyways I didn't really listen but that's the main points.

But this is the same deal that Cuban reportedly said "step away from your crack dealer" to as Findog posted, so no Kidd to Dallas. I'm sure the trade is pending on if Mavs are willing to give up Harris. IMO Harris + Diop + Stack is quite a lot for Kidd.

I would rather face Kidd than Jerry Stackhouse!

Stackhouse AND Harris?!!!

No way in that happens.

I have a little rule of thumb: If youre hearing about a trade rumor, there's no way its true.

99% of the trades that happen are the ones we never even heard of.

[monosylab1k]

This past summer Kidd was playing on a team of All-Stars and was arguably the best of the bunch. That's a guy who is over the hill?

[da_suns_fan]

I find it interesting that Kidd wants to be traded.

Some people blame the CBA and luxury tax for making it so hard to make trades these days. What about the players? Kidd wanted 20 mil a year? Fine. But he needs to realize that its damn near impossible to trade him unless its the final year of that deal.

[Findog]

He wants to be traded because Rod Thorn wouldn't extend him. He'll be 36 years old and his $21 million salary comes off the books after 08-09. That's why he wants out, not because he wants one last shot at a ring. What happens when the Mavs don't extend him? Does he half-ass it after the novelty of playing for Dallas wears off?

[da_suns_fan]

He wants to be traded because Rod Thorn wouldn't extend him. He'll be 36 years old and his $21 million salary comes off the books after 08-09. That's why he wants out, not because he wants one last shot at a ring. What happens when the Mavs don't extend him? Does he half-ass it after the novelty of playing for Dallas wears off?

I don't think Kidd ever "half-asses" it. EVER! He's almost averaging a triple double.

[ludda]

I would rather face Kidd than Jerry Stackhouse!

Stackhouse AND Harris?!!!

No way in that happens.

I have a little rule of thumb: If youre hearing about a trade rumor, there's no way its true.

99% of the trades that happen are the ones we never even heard of.

Did I say "OMG GUYS, Kidd is going to the Mavs!!!!"
No I just reported the rumors going around and the mavs are heavily involved in all of those. Almost every sports site has the Mavs involved in a 3 way trade to get Kidd. Just adding that in for discussion and seeing what other fans think.

[ludda]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3223513
Stein's update on Mavs-Nets-Blazers trade.

Now they say mavs will give up Harris, Diop or Bass +scrubs. Portland doesn't want to give up Outlaw (as I had said). Trades are stalled for now, would either happen soon or probably never.


HAHA Cuban is an idiot.

[monosylab1k]

IF the Mavs flame out again, I want all fellow Mavs fans to remember these two things - we could have had Kobe, and we could have had Kidd. The inability to part with Devin Harris appears to be what killed/will kill both of these trade scenarios.

I'm hoping the Mavs can do it all with their current roster, but I just don't see it happening. If it could have happened with them, it already would have.

But everyone praising the half a good season of Devin Harris like he's the second coming of Kevin Johnson better be prepared to eat massive loads of crow if the Mavs flame out again.

We could have had Kobe, we could have had Kidd.

[RonMexico]

That would be more lopsided than the KG deal.

[RonMexico]

But, but JET is such a clutch shooter!!

[ludda]

IF the Mavs flame out again, I want all fellow Mavs fans to remember these two things - we could have had Kobe, and we could have had Kidd. The inability to part with Devin Harris appears to be what killed/will kill both of these trade scenarios.

I'm hoping the Mavs can do it all with their current roster, but I just don't see it happening. If it could have happened with them, it already would have.

But everyone praising the half a good season of Devin Harris like he's the second coming of Kevin Johnson better be prepared to eat massive loads of crow if the Mavs flame out again.

We could have had Kobe, we could have had Kidd.

what makes you think Kidd will guarantee you a ring, if you're losing 3 key guys on your team. Kobe I can understand, Kidd ain't all that IMO. And then you have even less time to win it all.

Also you really think the Lakers were going to send Kobe to play with Dirk in the West for only Howard and Harris??

[TDMVPDPOY]

cuban is going to give kidd the 20m extention the nets arent willing to give him which goes through 09/10