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What, an expiring contract? WTF are you talking about?
I wouldn't trade Rob out of loyalty, but he's clearly done. My feelings are mixed on Finley, but I'd probably trade him if something really nice came around. Barry was signed to a market value deal and one has to wonder if he'll be healthy enough to contribute at all again in a Spurs jersey, and he has the biggest contract of the expiring deals, so I would trade him in a second to improve the team. Same with Elson (just replace Barry's name with Elson and the words "be healthy enough to" with "ever" in the previous sentence).
What, an expiring contract? WTF are you talking about?
rewatch the Jazz game again.but he's been awful for the vast majority of the minutes he's played this season
He was vintage Horry.
Once again, that won't suit your agenda.
For the last week or so you've been wanting to bench Bowen and Horry.Yeah, I'm a noted Bowen and Horry hater, I'm well known for that
Once again in this thread you advocate benching Bowen, after EVERYONE tells you that won't work, nor happen, and all of your "observations" concerning Bowen have been blown out of the water.
Yeah you don't have anything against either one.
His ends in '09.
Operation Cap Space III is set for the summer of 2010.
Thomas would have made sense 3 seasons ago. He is now 35 years old. If you're looking for a half-season, stop-gap - OK. But, you're gonna have to give up something in return. Personally, I'd rather we move past signing the next old guy on the market.
Hoopshype lists his deal as ending this year.
http://www.hoopshype.com/salaries/seattle.htm
Thomas IMO would be fine to bring in.
Splitter Mahinmi move in, Oberto and Thomas would prove the defensive veteran experience.
I would be 100% for a trade for Kurt Thomas.
It won't happen, but I'd be 100% for it.
It seems to me that we are really missing a blue collar big. PJ Brown is still looking for work, if only for the year it seems like he'd fit in nice. He's smart, he hits open mid-range shots, he rebounds, he has heart.
Elson seems to have gone the Beno route with Pop, and Oberto isn't really the hustle type. Duncan's our main guy, he shouldn't have to be doing the dirty work too.
I'd like to get Kurt Thomas just to see the look on Sarver's face when the Spurs knock them out of the playoffs again, with him in our colors.
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huh?Oberto isn't really the hustle type
Thats enough of a reason to trade for him right there.I'd like to get Kurt Thomas just to see the look on Sarver's face when the Spurs knock them out of the playoffs again, with him in our colors.
Oberto doesn't bring a great deal of energy to the floor, he doesn't get great rebounding numbers, barely blocks or intimidates shots. He fits well into the offence and flops around a bit, but we need a high energy big player.
Nope, expiring this year. that's why Seattle took it on - capspace next year.
First of all, I would like to commend RuffnReadyOzstyle for thinking of the team's best interest. It's not likely that you have a fan that would suggest things to make his team better.
Noble may it seems but not all ideas are appreciated by others. That is why opinions are subjective. For my part, I agree to some of his suggestion and disagree on the others.
I agree that signing stoudamire at this time would probably help the spurs survive these trying times. With parker out, he could provide the necessary point guard work we lack. Plus, he's the only rational choice the spurs can have. All other offers comes with strings or with high cost (against the team chemistry).
I disagreee with the Elson-pietrus trade. First and foremost, it's possibility is next to impossible. Second, the reason for trading given by Ruffin is not too good. Thinking of next season today is too early. To make changes now, based on what we want to achieve next year , is unlikely to help our present situation.
What the FO must do is to address the team's short term problems. If we remove elson and replace him with a small forward, that would further cause us problems. . We would be lacking another bigman to defend the post, and we would have too many players playing the small forward. One of them is doomed to reduced playing time. That would be another problem. What we can do- again - is sign another free agent. Might not be long term but is definitely a wiser solution.
I somehow agree on his suggestion of putting Udoka in the starting 5 for the first 5-6 minutes. I thnk , it has some essence. If we could maximize the playing time as well as their impact on the game. I think we could experiment on it for the first 3 or 4 games of the Rodeo trip. The present llineup is not responding effectively anyway (maybe because of the injuries). So why not try something else. Besides, what else can happen? were already losing.
The only way it could happen is for our own expiring contracts, so no worries about "taking on more old guys" beyond the end of this season.
With Presti and Carlisimo over there, I give this deal a 2% chance. Problem is Pop would never shaft one of his vets like that.
This is from the NBA media site from last time he got extended:
"The Knicks signed Kurt Thomas to a 4 year, $30.9 million contract extension. He is now signed through the 2008-09 season."
So I'm not sure which is right and which is wrong.
Thanks for the reasoned reply.
As for Pietrus, I think CD made the point that we really need a big Pop has confidence in more than anything, and he's right. I really like the idea of Elson+Horry(/Barry/Finley)+pick+cash for Kurt Thomas, doubt it gets done though. The Pietrus idea was more about getting some more bench scoring while Ime was starting, and secondly looking to next year (using this season as a "try out"), but it's basically been killed by the Webber signing anyway.
This thread has "DENIAL" written all over it.
You have a problem. See a doctor.
All that talk when he was traded was about how he'd come off the books at the end of this season.
Maybe there was a player option that he has since signed?
ESPN reckons he's expiring:
"Thomas comes at the price the rebuilding Sonics were seeking. He has one season left on a contract that will pay him $8.1 million next season."
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2943588
I haven't read the whole thread yet but I'll respond to the first post ...
If you meant to say ...
1. sign Stoudamire and bench Parker until his ankle/heel is 100%.
... then I agree with you. It shouldn't be a thing where Pop has to ask Parker on a continual basis how his ankle/heel is doing. Just keep him out until it's 95%+.
Sorry bro but Pietrus fvcking sucks. I've watched him a lot over the years because he's long been rumored to come to the Spurs but he'd be an absolutely horrible fit. He'd basically be like Elson the small forward version.
His basketball IQ might be non-existent. He's just a good athlete. That's it. He'd suck on the Spurs.
I pointed to Udoka as the person I wanted the Spurs to sign before the regular season started but no way do I want to see this happen. It'd be the most panic move I've ever seen out of the Spurs. Udoka is a nice player but he shouldn't start in place of Bowen.
Bowen was playing great until Parker got injured. After Parker got injured, Bowen's open looks plummeted and Bowen has responded by trying to create his own shots. That has been horrible to watch.
That said, once Parker is back in action and playing like he can play, Bowen will once again be effective again offensively. Defensively, Bowen has been fine ... it's just his offense that has fallen off.
If you want to have more offense in the starting lineup, put Manu back in the starting lineup. If you want more scoring overall, play Bonner more.
Benching Bowen is something you do one year at the beginning of training camp. You don't do it as a panic move in the middle of a season. That'd be a horrible decision ... especially when he'll return to normal once Parker returns. And if Parker doesn't return, it won't matter anyways because the Spurs won't be winning a championship.
Bowen over the years has earned the trust of fans. , he's upped his three-point percentage in every single playoff run. Okay, he's struggle in January. So what? He'll hit the shots when it matters -- like he always does.
Oh and championships are won with defense. Bowen is the player who sets the tone defensively. You F with his role, you F with a proven formula.
Agreed. The lack of a quality and consistent rotation has been hurting the Spurs as much as anything outside of injuries.
Yup, let's shoot ourselves in the head instead of discussing ways we might get better.
Where are we again? Oh, that's right, SPURSTALK, a place to talk about the Spurs...
I also think we can be better with another bigman in the roster. I was wondering abourt the status of Danny Fortson. I know he's a free agent, but I don't know if he has any strings attached with the other teams.
If we could have him, I think that will help us defensively. He rebounds better than Elson will be, plus he's physical inside.
According to the NBA site in 2004, he had another year left on his contract (the 04-05 season) and at that point, he signed a 4 year extension on top of that contract. So that would take him through 08-09. But for all I know, the 08-09 season could be an option (team or player). It doesn't say anything about that.
Fair commentary, LJ.I haven't read the whole thread yet but I'll respond to the first post ...
If you meant to say ...
1. sign Stoudamire and bench Parker until his ankle/heel is 100%.
... then I agree with you. It shouldn't be a thing where Pop has to ask Parker on a continual basis how his ankle/heel is doing. Just keep him out until it's 95%+.
Sorry bro but Pietrus fvcking sucks. I've watched him a lot over the years because he's long been rumored to come to the Spurs but he'd be an absolutely horrible fit. He'd basically be like Elson the small forward version.
His basketball IQ might be non-existent. He's just a good athlete. That's it. He'd suck on the Spurs.
I pointed to Udoka as the person I wanted the Spurs to sign before the regular season started but no way do I want to see this happen. It'd be the most panic move I've ever seen out of the Spurs. Udoka is a nice player but he shouldn't start in place of Bowen.
Bowen was playing great until Parker got injured. After Parker got injured, Bowen's open looks plummeted and Bowen has responded by trying to create his own shots. That has been horrible to watch.
That said, once Parker is back in action and playing like he can play, Bowen will once again be effective again offensively. Defensively, Bowen has been fine ... it's just his offense that has fallen off.
If you want to have more offense in the starting lineup, put Manu back in the starting lineup. If you want more scoring overall, play Bonner more.
Benching Bowen is something you do one year at the beginning of training camp. You don't do it as a panic move in the middle of a season. That'd be a horrible decision ... especially when he'll return to normal once Parker returns. And if Parker doesn't return, it won't matter anyways because the Spurs won't be winning a championship.
Bowen over the years has earned the trust of fans. , he's upped his three-point percentage in every single playoff run. Okay, he's struggle in January. So what? He'll hit the shots when it matters -- like he always does.
Oh and championships are won with defense. Bowen is the player who sets the tone defensively. You F with his role, you F with a proven formula.
Agreed. The lack of a quality and consistent rotation has been hurting the Spurs as much as anything outside of injuries.
1. I said what I said because I was assuming that bone spurs don't just go away by themselves, and thus that Parker will have to manage the injury for the rest of the season until he can get proper rest in the off-season. I hope I'm wrong.
2. The Pietrus idea was always speculative, and chumpdumper is right that what we really need is a big to play beside Duncan that Pop trusts. Now that I've thought about it, Kurt Thomas for Elson+an old guy+2nd rounder+cash makes more sense. This thread was all about throwing ideas out there and stimulating new ones.
3. I knew that some people would object to the idea of benching Bruce, but I don't see it as benching so much as rearranging his minutes so that we have more offence at the start of the game. Anyway, it seems pretty unpopular, and maybe it would be better to throw Udoka in for Finley, who is only playing well occasionally himself.
4. The problem with our rotation is that we have too many players with very specific skills. If only we could combine each of Horry+Bonner/Elson+Oberto/Finley+Udoka into one player, the rotation wouldn't be a problem. As it is, we have too many players who expose glaring weaknesses on the court, and then Pop switches to cover those weaknesses with other players and their weaknesses are quickly exposed. So much for the depth that we thought we had when we started the season.
When it all comes down to it, this is the season that the Spurs are showing their age. I guess there's not much we can do about that at all…
If ever. I hope the spurs take a look at him. I'm pretty deserate for a bigman right now.
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