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I would flip the out if we got Haslem, I've been wanting him on the Spurs for several seasons.
They are unloading contracts. That makes it MORE likely that they are shopping Miller, not less.
I would flip the out if we got Haslem, I've been wanting him on the Spurs for several seasons.
Uh, guys. I just discovered he has two sons named Mason and Mavrick. It's a no go.
Remember we snapped when the Spurs traded for Steve Smith?
But wasn't that all an elaborate scheme for more flexibility in 2003?
Remember when the Spurs didn't cave in on Derek Anderson's outrageous contractual demands.
Yeah outside of Miller and Haslem, the excitement level drops off pretty dramatically. I kind of like the idea of Foster but Indiana doesn't really have reason to salary dump him.
Two boring names on the list that are probably available are Joe Smith and Cuttino Mobley. The Bulls and the Clippers aren't going anywhere and by trading these veterans, they could open up playing time for younger players. Smith has quietly been pretty damn good since he got old and became a role player.
Mobley to me is an interesting possibility and he's a very realistic option. After this year he has $19M over two years left on his contract. The Clippers should be happy to dump that salary, while the Spurs can take on the contract without too much problem.
The only thing I don't like about Mobley is his height ... but he's been playing shooting guard for a while now and his height has rarely been an issue. He can shoot it. He competes. He has point guard experience and can pass it. At 32, he's at the same age Barry was when the Spurs got him. He was clutch early in his career with the Rockets. Plus, Mobley has had success in the NBA as a starter and coming off the bench.
While I'd of course like Miller or Haslem better, Mobley is exactly the type of player the Spurs can get -- an overpaid veteran on a bad team that is looking to dump salary. I wouldn't love the deal but it makes sense now that I think about it. You'd basically be replacing Barry by getting a somewhat similar player who is four years younger.
Hmmmmm . . .
Foster's rebounding on top of being a warm body at the four would be nice, as would Haslem's defense. Wilcox would be great too, but we're not getting him unless Sam wants to pull a McHale for us.
Mobley also plays a smidge better D than Barry.
I lived in Houston during the Mobley/ erson years and saw almost all of their games in that timespan, and I don't remember him being all that clutch. Still, I know he'd get a lot of bad desperation looks off passes from Barkley or Olajuwon with 2 seconds left though, after they had been backing it down for the previous 10 seconds. The one shot of Mobley's I'll always remember was him getting rejected by Shaq at the buzzer of an elimination game in the '99 playoffs, and Shaq running into the Forum crowd and high-fiving people.
After watching his act on the Clippers, I don't think he's much of an upgrade over Finley. He doesn't have a lot of range, and seems like more of a mid-range guy (we already have that in Parker and Ginobili). I think getting a three-point bomber as Barry's health / Finley going cold insurance is way more important.
True. He would be a nice option defensively. I don't think he fits in offensively at all though.
Mobley has evolved into a three-point shooter. His career high in made three-pointers is higher than Finley and tied with Barry. He has hit at least 38% of his threes in five of his last six seasons. His lifetime three-point percentage is higher than Finley. In fact, could end his career with more threes than Barry or Finley.
You could say Mobley was a mid-range shooter early in his career but now he's a bonafide three-point shooter.
Mobley is crap, in my opinion, and especially at that price. He's a chucker and not a great one, is too old, and is redundant given what we have on the roster. A big no thanks.
It has always seemed like a real weakness any time I've turned on a Clipper game this year. I guess he'd be a bit of an upgrade on paper over Finley, but 39% from the three isn't all that impressive to me. Looking at the stats, he has a Turkoglu-esque playoff three-point percentage of 34% (then again, so does Miller).
LAC was desperate to get any kind of 3-point shooting last year in large part because Mobley can't shoot them reliably. I'm mystified timvp cares about him, especially at another couple years at $9m each.
At that price, Mike Miller is a much better option
If he is an option, yes.
We need a big body. He doesn't have to be great, just big and strong. Someone who could beat up on Shaq when Shaq beats up on Tim.
Try to keep up. The 2008 plan went on hold to 2010 when they re-signed everyone from the 2007 champs.
Haslem DNP tonight, is he injured?
joe smith would be awesome.
Sprained ankle.
It'll all work out in the end... *crosses fingers*
You guys are great. Obviously Mike Miller or Udonis Haslem would be preferred players to target. Any basketball fan with a pulse can tell you that. However, when you get your head out of the clouds and start looking at more realistic options, Mobley would be a decent short term fix.
Every team and every team's fans are eyeing Miller and Haslem right now. I doubt the Spurs will be able to get either. They'll try but even if the Griz and Heat are selling, other teams can offer better packages.
Now, crossing off Miller and Haslem from the list and looking at more realistic options, the selection isn't that great. You have an aging veteran like Mobley or Joe Smith. You have one dimensional role players like Jason Kapono and Jeff Foster. And then after that, the players either don't fit with the team basketball-wise or chemistry-wise.
The other option is to continue on with what the Spurs have. The dangers in that are Barry's injury (the Spurs could think he's done), Elson hurting more than helping and an aging roster that will be difficult to add to during the offseason. The Spurs have a lot of aging players with expiring contracts. To replenish the roster, the Spurs could have something like $6M to cover about three or four openings.
I know Spurs fans want to only settle only for Mike Miller, Udonis Haslem or Wilt Chamberlain reincarnate, but the Spurs never get the player Spurs fans want. They get the old veteran with one foot in the grave who won't demand a long-term contract. But I'll apologize for actually bringing up trades that don't have young superstars coming to San Antonio for Francisco Elson.
But how is Mobley a short term fix if he's owed $20 million more after this season through 2010? He duplicates what you have and is bizarrely expensive for that. The Clips might give a draft pick just for getting rid of him.
Going forward the next two years, how does he duplicate what the Spurs have? Barry is 36 and for all we know, his career could be over. Old players don't heal well from something like a calf strain. Even at 36, Barry has outlasted a lot of players his age. And then Finley 34 going on 40. Plus he's a free agent in the summer.
The next time the Spurs have flexibility like they do now will be the summer of 2010. Bowen, Barry, Finley, Horry, Vaughn and Stoudamire will be retired by then. You have to bridge the gap somehow and trading expiring contracts for an ugly yet short-term deal is one way to go about it. Another other way is to split up the MLE like three ways this summer and sign a bunch of scrubs.
In a Spurs fan wet dream, the Spurs can just get Mike Miller for Barry and Udonis Haslem for Horry and Elson and be set for the next half decade. But it won't work out like that. The Spurs will sign or trade for a below the radar aging vet. If not Mobley, it'll be someone in a similar situation.
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