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    Watching Marion play for this horrible Heat team... my goodness the Suns are going to miss him. He does EVERYTHING well.

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    Except create hisown shot. He has his pump-fake dribble runner, but that's about it. He doesn't have the ability to create his own shot effectively. Not one-on-one, not with space but in traffic. He needs open floor or nothing.

    I love Marion and think he does everything but the above well.

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    Except create hisown shot. He has his pump-fake dribble runner, but that's about it. He doesn't have the ability to create his own shot effectively. Not one-on-one, not with space but in traffic. He needs open floor or nothing.

    I love Marion and think he does everything but the above well.
    Agreed.

    It's nice to see a Suns fan who isn't trying to cast him out as the most overrated player in history.

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    You know I was talking bad trade, terrible trade but that Damn Shaq has a gift for gab. He has my attention!

    One thing that he did not and would not do is predict a championship for the Suns. That tells it all! No le for the Suns! Book it!

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    Agreed.

    It's nice to see a Suns fan who isn't trying to cast him out as the most overrated player in history.
    I've argued that, at least statistically, Marion could very well be a HOF player when all is said and done. He'll need to make a handful more All-Star teams, something more than doable in the East, and winning a le wouldn't hurt either, so I'm definitely not someone who's going to cast out Marion simply because he's no longer a Sun. He was a great player for us for many years. It's unfortunate that his greatest struggles came against the Spurs, the one team the Suns could ever beat during his time (save for 2000, which barely counts). He doesn't disappear come the playoffs. He just gets shut down vs. the Spurs. They are really the only team he's ever struggled against.

    In eight-plus season in Phoenix he's put up averages of 19 ppg, 10 rpg, 2 apg, 2 spg and 1 bpg with the last five seasons being closer to 21 ppg, 11 rpg, 2 apg, 2 spg and 1.5 bpg. His career playoff averages speaks to what I said above. Averages of 16 ppg, 11 rpg, 1.5 spg, 2 bpg is really pretty good. It's just a shame his limited offensive game allowed him to be an easy stifle for a team like San Antonio, a team he happened to play four time in his 12 total playoff series with Phoenix. I mean, in 2005-06 without having to face the Spurs, he averaged 20 ppg, 12 rpg, 2 apg, 2 spg, 1 bpg.

    Anyways... I'm babbling.

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    You know I was talking bad trade, terrible trade but that Damn Shaq has a gift for gab. He has my attention!

    One thing that he did not and would not do is predict a championship for the Suns. That tells it all! No le for the Suns! Book it!
    That seems to be all he's done.

    He's said he'll get Nash over the hump, which clearly means Nash's failure to win a le. He's stated that he's angry, an when angry he happens to win les and during the Hornets game, when he was introduced, he pointed to the crowd, then to his Championship ring.

    Maybe he's never flat-out stated that he'll win a le in Phoenix, but in many ways and several times he at least inferred it.

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    That seems to be all he's done.

    He's said he'll get Nash over the hump, which clearly means Nash's failure to win a le. He's stated that he's angry, an when angry he happens to win les and during the Hornets game, when he was introduced, he pointed to the crowd, then to his Championship ring.

    Maybe he's never flat-out stated that he'll win a le in Phoenix, but in many ways and several times he at least inferred it.
    Yeah that's the point. He may have hinted to it, but he never came right out and said it. You have to believe that Shaq would have said it, if he really believed it.

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    Yeah that's the point. He may have hinted to it, but he never came right out and said it. You have to believe that Shaq would have said it, if he really believed it.
    On guaranteeing a championship: "Not yet. Let me get a few practices under my belt. I'll let you know."

    http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns...nline0208.html

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    That's a far cry from Guaranteeing a Championship like he did in LA and Miami on press day. Sounds like he's not convinced.

    The suns will go thru some changes first, the coach has to be fired for not blending Shaq into the offense and a player has to be moved. A long time Suns player, hmmm,......Nash? probably someone like Barbosa or Diaw. I just don't think you have enough time for all that. The window is closing fast!

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