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    Bowen got benched against Kobe, he sucked that game. He was none too good against Pierce either. In fact, we had a stretch a couple weeks back where he didn't play over 26 minutes like four of five games. Why? Because when he was in there, he wasn't doing the job. Peja lit him up, Kirilenko, Durant...

    Face it, he just hasn't had a very good season, and at 36 he could be just about done. I never said Manu was doing a better defensive job than him this year, I just said more consistent. I can't accept that Bruce is allowed to have "off" games against some guys. Screw that. Defense is his ONLY job. It's why he's on the roster. Manu can have a bad defensive game and make it up on the other end, or have a bad shooting night but have a bunch of assists and steals or whatever (like the LA game). Bruce has one damn thing to worry about, so not being focused is inexcusable. Bowen has quite the luxury of being an NBA player where the coaches don't give a if he never scores a single point. Not many players get such freedom. The least he can do is earn his minutes. If you want to analyze why the Spurs are giving up a higher shooting % this year than last, look no further than #12.

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    Bowen got benched against Kobe, he sucked that game.
    You might want to be more specific.

    Bowen dominated Kobe in their first matchup. In their second matchup, Bowen outplayed him again. In fact, Bowen would have led the Spurs to victory if Manu would have shown up that game.

    In their last matchup, Bowen played 23 minutes in the win and had a +/- of +11. Let's pretend he "sucked", though. So in three games against Kobe this season, Bowen has dominated him once, outplayed him a second time and "sucked" a third time. That looks like a good season so far to me. Unless you have a suggestion of who to go out and replace Bowen with who will be able to dominate Kobe each and every night out.

    I'm all ears if you have such a suggestion.


    He was none too good against Pierce either.
    As opposed to defensive superstar Manu who shut Pierce down.

    Good call.

    In fact, we had a stretch a couple weeks back where he didn't play over 26 minutes like four of five games.
    He also had a stretch of games a couple weeks ago where he played 34+ minutes in six out of seven games.


    Why? Because when he was in there, he wasn't doing the job. Peja lit him up, Kirilenko, Durant...
    He had a bad game against Peja but Kirilenko and Durant was mostly against Manu. And the reason Bowen wasn't playing more was because that was a stretch of games that the Spurs offense was horrible and Pop was trying to get more offense onto the court.

    Face it, he just hasn't had a very good season,
    On a whole, Bowen has played his role well this season. He's had some games where he wasn't successful in slowing down the superstar he's going against, but that happens to every defensive stopper. If there's a defensive stopper out there who shuts down his opponent every night out, again I'm all ears. The Spurs need to get that guy on their team.

    and at 36 he could be just about done.
    There's no "could" about it. At 36, Bowen is almost done. I don't think his play has dropped off yet but it will within the next year or two.

    I never said Manu was doing a better defensive job than him this year, I just said more consistent.
    More consistent how? When placed on non-scorers and the non-scorers don't score, is that a victory that counts towards his consistent total? Ginobili wasn't playing defense for a couple week stretch earlier in the season but few Spurs fans noticed because he wasn't guarding anyone of note.

    I can't accept that Bruce is allowed to have "off" games against some guys. Screw that. Defense is his ONLY job. It's why he's on the roster.


    So defensive perimeter stoppers who go against the best player on the other team every night aren't allowed to have any "off" games? That's the funniest point I've ever seen anyone try to make in SpursTalk history.

    I guess defensive stoppers are supposed to shut down their opponent every night out. I'm sure if Ginobili got to defend superstars every night out that he'd shut those superstars down nightly. Right?

    Of course.

    Manu can have a bad defensive game and make it up on the other end, or have a bad shooting night but have a bunch of assists and steals or whatever (like the LA game).
    Yes, obviously Manu never has a bad game. He's God's gift to the Spurs. Unlike that freeloader Bowen.

    Good call.

    Bruce has one damn thing to worry about, so not being focused is inexcusable. Bowen has quite the luxury of being an NBA player where the coaches don't give a if he never scores a single point. Not many players get such freedom. The least he can do is earn his minutes.
    Exactly. That scrub Bowen should never let his man score a point. That's his only job. He should just give all his championship rings to Manu AKA The True Champion.

    Another simply marvelous point.

    If you want to analyze why the Spurs are giving up a higher shooting % this year than last, look no further than #12.
    Bowen's defense hasn't fallen off, especially compared to last season. You act like there's a player in NBA history who stops their man every night out. The offensive superstars who Bowen routinely guard *gasp* sometimes play like offensive superstars. You know, like how Pierce played in the first five minutes of the game the other night.

    Oh and where's the list of players that defensively consistent Manu has defended well against recently? Notice how you conveniently left that list out of your post

    Also notice how convenient it is that a Manu Fan comes crawling out of the closet after Ginobili explodes a game later. Where was this lame rant after the Celtics game? It's easy for Manu Fan to come out of the closet after Ginobili has a monster game against the Raptors.

    It's so amazingly lame when Manu Fan tries to crap all over Bowen's play and legacy on a whole. Bowen has allowed Ginobili to defend nobodies 99% of his NBA life and Manu Fan pays tribute by crapping on Bowen? Brilliant.

    Manu Fan is always quick to claim that Manu could do anything Bowen can do ... and then the one game Manu has to guard someone, Pierce destroys him. Pop then switches Manu off onto Rondo and Rondo has a career game. Yet it was all Bowen's fault. Just how last year in the playoffs when the Spurs went against the AI and Carmelo duo and the defensive superstar Manu ended up guarding Steve freakin' Blake. That was obviously another case of Bowen being overrated and Pop not knowing how good Ginobili is defensively, right?

    Obviously.

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    Roycrikside giving a bad name to Manu fans.

    Give it up Roy you lost this thing hands down.


    BTW, Ginobili has never made a defensive first or second team.

    Whos been on the defensive first teams for how many years?

    Goodnight Now.

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    no way we should have lost this game without KG AND PERKINS being out. their two starting big men were out, they never had anyone in the game above 6'8 down low, and we couldn't dominate them inside when we have tim duncan ? that is pathetic. i dont give a damn if tony parker is out, the spurs just didnt bring it, especially on defense.

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    The CoM always oversteps its bounds when it starts talking about Manu's defense.

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    Yes I know - you are right as usual. Also I agree that I'm ahead.


    Yours Sincierly, face
    Don't be so darn testy.

    I'm not saying I'm right, its just your point of Oberto NOT being physical has no merit. Oberto is a very physical center.

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