Back on again, Hassell, Van Horn, Diop, Harris, Ager for Kidd and Allen

[SenorSpur]

Diop would not be a bad pickup, especially if Elson is who is going out.

I like the idea. I figure Diop would welcome the change. Word has it that he was pretty upset about last week's potential trade because, much like Devean George, he wasn't informed either.

Assuming the Spurs could pull this off, I imagine he'd like nothing more than a chance to come back and "stick it" to the Mavs.

[Bob Lanier]

Damp pretty much owns Gasol.

LOLwhat

Bass abuses Yao

LOLwhat

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

[SenorSpur]

I think Dallas is still a top 3 Western Conference team. I think the trade eases matchup problems with the Spurs. Kidd is a lot easier to stop than Harris, especially for the Spurs. Plus, now you have to have the entire team defense focus on Parker, which should free up our other guys to hit shots. But can the Mavs still beat the Spurs in the playoffs? Yes.

All very true, but so much for the notion of the Mavs being "built to beat the San Antonio Spurs".

Mavs now have a clear 1-2 year window of opportunity. The next sound you hear is the window closing rapidly.

[td4mvp21]

I thought the Spurs could beat the Mavs even without the trade. If they don't address their thinness at C, then we have a even bigger adv.

I think this trade maekes the mavs better though. Just not against us and maybe some other teams. They desperately needed a spark, a leader, and someone who could make the right play with the game on the line.

Who knows, itll be interesting to watch.

Well I think we could have beaten them before the trade too, but this trade makes it easier too IMO. Doesn't mean we will but the Spurs definitely get some breaks. Kidd's primarily going to shoot threes but I'll have him shooting those all day rather than Harris torching us in the paint and from the outside.

Kidd is a leader and that is something the Mavs need. I'm guessing the Mavs will become more of a fast break team with him as their pointguard? Not anywhere close to how they used to be or how the Suns are, but more so than now. I think that plays more into the Spurs' hands too, they seem to be good at stopping run-n-gun teams. Dallas still has their defense and their big three so I think they can definitely still win the West.

[Holt's Cat]

[Bruno]

Does league rules allow Diop to be traded again, so soon after his trade to New Jersey?

Yes.

Restriction are :
- a player can't be reacquire by a team during the same year.
- a player can't be packaged with other player during 2 months after he has been traded.

Diop can be traded before the deadline to all teams except Dallas as long as he isn't packaged with other Nets players. He can be packaged with draft picks or cash.

As example, Rasheed stayed less than one week with Atlanta before going to Detroit.

[SenorSpur]

Well I think we could have beaten them before the trade too, but this trade makes it easier too IMO. Doesn't mean we will but the Spurs definitely get some breaks. Kidd's primarily going to shoot threes but I'll have him shooting those all day rather than Harris torching us in the paint and from the outside.

Kidd is a leader and that is something the Mavs need. I'm guessing the Mavs will become more of a fast break team with him as their pointguard? Not anywhere close to how they used to be or how the Suns are, but more so than now. I think that plays more into the Spurs' hands too, they seem to be good at stopping run-n-gun teams. Dallas still has their defense and their big three so I think they can definitely still win the West.

That run-n-gun style that Kidd prefers certainly does play into the hands of the Spurs. They impose their will on opposing teams by concentrating on getting back on defense to stall transition opportunities. If they can stop the Suns, they will have no problems stopping fast break opportunities for the Mavs.

Don't be fooled into thinking the Mavs will suddenly become this chic fast break outfit. In New Jersey, Kidd had lane-fillers in Jefferson and Carter. On this Mavs team, Kidd will have only half-court jump shooters. Thereby he'll be less effective against a very stout defensive team like the Spurs.

Should be very interesting finish to this season.

[ludda]

The Mavs definitely do not match up well with us ..on paper. But the team was stale and had little chance of getting out of the West. They have a little better chance.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

[Findog]

Does league rules allow Diop to be traded again, so soon after his trade to New Jersey?

by himself, he can't be packaged.

[pad300]

Bonner isn't expiring.
If Spurs want Diop, it should be a 3 teams trade.

Indeed, to elaborate, Elson makes $3,000,000. He can be traded for a value between 2.32 and 3.85 million. Diop makes $2,146,000. Diop can be traded for a value between 2.78 and 1.64 million. This means the 3ed party in such a trade would have to put up between 2.32 and 2.78 million dollars in expiring contracts. As individual players, there are 2 realistic trade partners. Miami (Alonzo Mourning 2,762,500) and Toronto (Juan Dixon, 2,550,000, Also Jose Calderon, but well YEAH RIGHT he'll be included)...Mourning, as I understand, is done for the season. Dixon is not playing a lot (11.9 mpg for the season, 35 games played, no injuries).

I'd try Miami 1st

To Miami
Elson
Cash to compensate Salary difference between Elson and Mourning
From Miami
Mourning
To NJ
Mourning
Cash to compensate salary difference between Mourning and Diop
SA 08 1st
More Cash (the remainder of the $3,000,000 max cash that SA can commit _to the deal)
From NJ
Diop
DAL 2010 1st
To SA
Diop
DAL 2010 1st
From SA
Elson
2008 1st
Cash ($3,000,000)

Why for Miami - get a bigger expiring at no cost. Get big to help their front line, Alonzo's out for the season.

Why for SA - Rent Diop for the playoffs. Acquire Diop's bird rights for the offseason - we will likely be looking to sign an experienced big in the offseason. Doing from Bird rights would preserve our exceptions for other needs. This also adjust SA's salary cap figure downwards. This would in turn pay for the cash involved (mostly) by collecting the luxury tax payout.

Why for NJ - This assumes they are not looking to re-sign Diop as a strategy point next summer. If this is true, they get a larger expiring contract, and a draft pick now for a smaller expiring cntract and a draft pick later...

[td4mvp21]

Yes.

Restriction are :
- a player can't be reacquire by a team during the same year.
- a player can't be packaged with other player during 2 months after he has been traded.

Diop can be traded before the deadline to all teams except Dallas as long as he isn't packaged with other Nets players. He can be packaged with draft picks or cash.

As example, Rasheed stayed less than one week with Atlanta before going to Detroit.

Any chance the Spurs go after Diop? I would hope so, if they don't want to go after someone better.

[Findog]

What're you going to do when Damp gets in foul trouble playing Shaq, Duncan, Gasol and Bynum?

"I'm James Donaldson, !"

[manufor3]

well it was a point of no return for both teams. Since inevitable.

Are the Mavs still getting Antoine Wright?

no

[Findog]

On to more important matters, what # is Kidd gonna take? Josh has 5.

[Bruno]

Any chance the Spurs go after Diop? I would hope so, if they don't want to go after someone better.

I'm not Spurs GM, so I don't know.

Diop could help Spurs in certain matchup, I could see Spurs trying to get him if they are worried by Lakers and Suns frontcourt.

Personally, I think that Diop could be a decent addition. I'm not really high on him and if Nets wants a lot for him, like a first round pick or Mahinmi, I hope Spurs won't do a trade for him.

[picnroll]

Rather have Kurt Thomas.

[clubalien]

this has been said before but i think it is intresting. you thought a MVP nash was too old so you solve this by trading for kidd a player you ended up trading away before.

[Bruno]

I'd try Miami 1st

There are some teams that could work as third team. Miami is one of them.

There is something wrong in your fantasy trade scenario. Elson has less money left on his contract than a player like Mourning.
Elson contract is front loaded. 80% of his salary($2.4M) is given the first day of the season.
We are about at two third of the season. Elson should still get $200K while Mourning should still get $900K.

[SenorSpur]

Well I think we could have beaten them before the trade too, but this trade makes it easier too IMO. Doesn't mean we will but the Spurs definitely get some breaks. Kidd's primarily going to shoot threes but I'll have him shooting those all day rather than Harris torching us in the paint and from the outside.

Kidd aint the one to be shooting three's. Dude is a horrific 37% from the field! That is just terrible for an NBA player of his caliber. , Barry shoots that from 3pt range. No wonder Kidd's season scoring average is down to around 10, 11 ppg.

[Bruno]

Rather have Kurt Thomas.

I rather have Diop because you don't have to give up Barry to get him.

[picnroll]

I rather have Diop because you don't have to give up Barry to get him.

Barry can come back after 30 days. I think he's about 100 IQ points brighter than Stackhouuse.

[SenorSpur]

Another reason Diop makes sense for the Spurs it would allow them to matchup better against the suddenly taller frontlines of both the Fakers and Suns. Shaq in PHX, and Gasol for the Fakers.

[T Park]

Diop while keeping barry would be better than trading barry and elson for thomas.

But, barry might not play again the right way the rest of the year, so what the , get the better player.