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who would u prefer.....Artest or Miller?????
I could also give 2 s about a players character off the court. As long as they do their job on the court and help the team win, they can do whatever the they want.
who would u prefer.....Artest or Miller?????
The Spurs don't roll like that.
They want the character on and off the court.
That's a big part of the Artest conversation. His character doesn't fit the Spurs locker room.
Pop's made some defensive comments before where I think he was a little ticked about the Spurs FO being stereotyped (that there's a general assumption that Pop only looks for "boyscouts".) or something like that.
Yeah, they value chemistry, but it's still a business and in practical matters, I'm not surprised they've gone after a few players who don't "fit" the mold, at least in trade considerations.
(We definitely dodged a bullet in J.R. Smith, not just because of his subsequent incidents, but he was horrible during the playoffs. Him getting thrown under the bus by the coach was good indicator that he didn't have the mental game to play on that stage.)
The one thing I will always have faith in Pop, if bringing Artest was to miraculously happen, is that he would have no problem benching him for the duration of the playoffs if Artest steps out of line.
And while a part of me would hate to move Barry (we can't underestimate how much his ball movement does for the team's offense) I think Barry/Elson and a draft pick (that isn't Splitter) is fair enough for a 6 month audition of Artest.
If character off the court affects the team on the court, then yes Spurs dont roll like that. However if off the court character has no affect on the court and this player really improves their chances of winning a championship and contributes and gives it his all at practice, games etc. I highly doubt Pop will give a rats ass about the rest. As long as it doesnt effect the team or risk effecting the team, they arent going to look into that. Players arent role models nor should ever been looked to as that.
I want players who help the team win. I dont care if they are arrogant classless assholes as long as they do their job that is all that matters. I dont look to them as role models nor should anyone. Parents are role models not athletes.
I agree, parents should be their kids role models.Players arent role models nor should ever been looked to as that.
I want players who help the team win. I dont care if they are arrogant classless assholes as long as they do their job that is all that matters. I dont look to them as role models nor should anyone. Parents are role models not athletes.
Unfortunately, it isn't a perfect world.
The marketing of pro athletes has put them in every kids living room.
Lots of kids today spend more time with the TV and video games than they do with their parents.
They play out their fantasy winning shot at the buzzer on every playground.
Kids do look at athletes as role models, I think they always have and technology has made it more so.
As adults we can separate the good from the bad. From what they do on the court from off it.
Kids can't always do that.
And if their "hero" is an arrogant, classless asshole, they think it's cool to be like that.
Again, it ain't gonna happen but I think Artest would fit right in with the Spurs and would be a good acquisition. I've never been a believer that people don't grow up and mature or change. Artest had some missteps in his early career but I've never thought of him as evil incarnate.
I don't think Artest's problem is growing up. I think his problem is that he has an honest-to-goodness mental illness, and he hasn't found the right balance between getting treatment and playing professional basketball.
honestly I dont know what to think of this trade. If it happens... great.... If it's just a rumor... great...
If anyone is going to be able to keep him under control, its Pop. If HE cant, then Ron is a lost cause in the NBA. I honestly believe if he were to come, this would be his last stop, for good or for bad.
As long as were talking impossibilities or improbabilities...I'd like to see Ben Wallace in a Spurs uniform. I've always liked Big Ben and he's supposedly on the block.
Matt Bonner
Ime Udoka
Brent Barry
Robert Horry
Francisco Elson
for Big Ben.
Last edited by word; 02-19-2008 at 02:18 AM.
Ben Wallace stinks offensively and is done.
no thanks.
Who doesn't want a ring?
Shawn Marion and Joe Johnson
If you can get Artest for Barry,Elson,and next years 1st round pick you do it. Barry's chances of coming back after two injuries to the calf and picking up where he left off are slim at best. He's always been one of my favorite players and Barry plays an important role on this team,but even when healthy Pop hasn't used him all that much in the playoffs. So as much as I love the guy I'd rather have another weapon in the rotation,than a cheerleader on the bench.
Elson gets alot of on this board(most of which he deserves),but he's the one big on this team who's able to move his feet out on the perimeter to guard the face-up 4's and 5's. When he played Dirk,Rasheed,and even Garnett last year he played them as well as a role player can be expected to guard a star player. Problem is, that Elson doesn't play here anymore. He's lost his confidence(hard to find ones confidence in Pops doghouse) and I don't expect him to find it any time soon.
The 1st rounder we'd give up next year wouldn't be all that bad. With Ian and Tiago likely to be on the team next year that's about all the inexperience Pop can take. This is a veteran team whose time to win is now. Youth is best served on a team like this with hustle,energy,and effort. You know, that doesn't require to much thought. Ian and Tiago should be able to fill that role next year.
I've never been a huge fan of Artest but I see this as a low-risk,high-reward deal. The chance that he could come to a team like this and destroy our chance at a back-to-back in less than half a season I find laughable. Everything I've heard about Artest is that he's got a good heart and he genuinely wants to win. He may be a little crazy,but he wants to win a le and he wants to get paid. So if he comes here he'll bust his ass and be on his best behavior. If he turns out to be what Rodman was to the Bulls than we win another championship or two. If not,he's gone at the end of the year. Like I said low-risk,high reward.
i do the trade if it cost us a first round pick and ian
we can always sign scrubs from dleague to refill the roster next season or bring over the euro farmers splitter and sanikidze.
NOBODY is going to fuk with the spurs once we acquired RONRON
No trade
Don't give up on Barry. He was stroking it well before he reinjured his calf.
Artest is tempting but Udoka does similar things. Focus on a cheap big.
Well, as I stated a lot of times, I would like to have him without giving up one of the big 3. My only problem is: Why would Sacramento do it? I don't see how they are interested in expiring contracts if Ron plans to opt out anyways. I woudl agree with the most in here: a first rounder? yes. Mahninmi... okay. Splitter? No.
Well, maybe the espn insiders only read the forum and it is not really true.
I think that had more to do with Karl being a moron.
I'd be in favor of bringing in Artest...
He may be a headcase but he respects the out of Tim Duncan.
And whatever his mental outlook might be....he loves playing defense which means Pop is going to like him and so is Duncan.
The deal most people are mentioning...plus either Mahinmi or Splitter...either one of them. That works for me
Next year is next year....this is now. You win when you have the chance to win...not next season.
And I do not want to see Artest on the Nuggets. That would not be a good thing for us...they are enough as it is.
Believe it or not...our problems with Artest are not his defense...Manu pretty much handles him...it's his offense that gives us problems.
His D however could be a huge bonus for us against the Mavs.
Anyway...consider me signed off on a deal for Artest.
Trading for Artest is a risky move but I think it could work.
Artest is a heck of a player and I have the feeling than being with Spurs could significantly lower his off and on the court antics.
Artest will also be the long time needed SF/PF.
Given the risk in getting Artest, I can easily understand Spurs not being interested in him and I want him as a Spurs only on the cheap.
Elson + Barry + a first round pick or Mahinmi is the max I would be ready to give for Artest.
As far as the Linus Kleiza thing goes....I think Ian and Splitter are both potentially better than Kleiza. I think Kleiza is a 2 guard and the Kings already have a pretty decent one in Martin. I'd have to say that the Spurs offer is better...since Denver's pick isn't going to be that much better than SA's...who knows? It might not be worse than SA's.
this discussion deserves its own thread.If character off the court affects the team on the court, then yes Spurs dont roll like that. However if off the court character has no affect on the court and this player really improves their chances of winning a championship and contributes and gives it his all at practice, games etc. I highly doubt Pop will give a rats ass about the rest. As long as it doesnt effect the team or risk effecting the team, they arent going to look into that. Players arent role models nor should ever been looked to as that.
I want players who help the team win. I dont care if they are arrogant classless assholes as long as they do their job that is all that matters. I dont look to them as role models nor should anyone. Parents are role models not athletes.to both of you.
my take on the rumor:
big risk, huge gain. teams can forget about scoring from the outside. artest can guard perimeter players as well as lowpost scorers other than shaq and tim. teams will be hard put to find someone to play pick and roll against.
i'm not concerned about him flipping off and running to the stands to punch a poor fan. i think he learned his lesson knowing that he ruined reggie miller's best chance of winning a ring. what i'm concerned about is him becoming grumpy because of lack of touches. if he can understand that this team doesn't play for statistics, he will be fine. he has always respected tim's game and pop as a coach and he obviously likes manu's compe iveness.
anyway, if denver ends up getting artest, everybody in the rockies should head to the nearest bomb shelter. you can scratch nuggets off the board. you can only have enough ego in one team after all.
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