KG: "People in the West are getting stronger because of the Spurs,''

[Agloco]

I see your point. Of course we don't really know what Bynum can do in the post season because the kid hasn't really been given a chance (last season he just wasn't ready).

I would say because the WC is so devoid of quality bigmen Bynum is already in the top 10 no question. BUT, this doesn't mean he is nearly as developed and polished as someone like Duncan is. Bynum still has a ways to go, but at 20 years old the sky is truly the limit for this kid if he keeps working hard.

Yeah, it's really bare out there.......

[DazedAndConfused]

you didnt get my point at all.

Tim cant be kept off the glass. Ever.

And if he gets his playoff average (23 some odd points per game) then thats all fine and dandy too. Problem is, lets see Bynum get either his rebounding or scoring averages from the season in the playoffs.

So basically you're agreeing with us even though you keep saying we're being "rabid". You make no sense.

Please tell me how Duncan will dominate on the glass when the Lakers field a front court of Bynum (7'1"), Gasol (7'1"), and Odom (6'11"). There is a reason your FO picked up Kurt Thomas and it has everything to do with the Lakers new frontline.

[Martin R]

I agree with KG.

It is sooooo obvious that both moves were intended to stop Duncan, "the low post butcher"

[Yuixafun]

Yao Ming, Tim Duncan..........name me another quality center in the WC.

Marcus Camby.


Chandler and Kaman on the rise..

[Yuixafun]

Way to twist my words. Typical of the rabid Spurs fans.

I said Bynum could do an adequate job guarding Duncan...

He will have to stay on the floor. I reckon he'll be hard pressed to not foul out. Duncan routinely get bigs in trouble come playoff time.

Pump fake, banker.. foul. Up and under.. foul. Power move.. foul. Sweep across the lane deep in the paint, foul.

Smell what i'm cooking.

[DazedAndConfused]

The key to guarding Duncan is stopping him before he makes his move. We can bring a deadly double team of Bynum and Gasol at Duncan and completely neutralize his court vision and ability to find open cutters. That will be our biggest weapon against him IMHO.

[ChumpDumper]

Great, he'll just pop it out to Kurt for the open jumper.

[z0sa]

Please tell me how Duncan will dominate on the glass when the Lakers field a front court of Bynum (7'1"), Gasol (7'1"), and Odom (6'11"). There is a reason your FO picked up Kurt Thomas and it has everything to do with the Lakers new frontline.

uh huh. i bet all three of those players bricks even thinking about guarding or helping on duncan...

[z0sa]

Great, he'll just pop it out to Kurt for the open jumper.

theres not much need to say more, but not only that, kurt isnt exactly a bad passer either. doubling on tims going to leave kurt open for a jumper or possibly a pass to a streaking/penetrating/shooting parker/manu/finley.

its hard to believe lakers' fans, who in all honesty know a thing or two about championship basketball, believe simply hard doubleteams from big (slow) guys is going to stop Tim - whos been firetested in the playoffs against much harder compe ion. see 2005 finals, tim guarded by sheed/wallace with the other + tayshaun and dice on the help.

you're telling me tayshaun, sheed, big ben and mcdyess on a pistons team that prided itself on extreme defense is less difficult to play against than your motley crue of career underachievers, especially on defense lakers fans?

and we all know who won the best of THAT matchup (spurs and pistons)

[cash459]

The key to guarding Duncan is stopping him before he makes his move. We can bring a deadly double team of Bynum and Gasol at Duncan and completely neutralize his court vision and ability to find open cutters. That will be our biggest weapon against him IMHO.

tim Duncan is one of the BEST passing big men the NBA has ever seen. Listen to any analyst and they will sya that his court vision and passing is far above that of the other big men. Thats one of the reasons he is so dangerous. Even if the lakers bring one of the other "big" men to double, it may work a couple of times but then Tim will read it, disect it, adjust, and find the open man sooner and then the Spurs get open shots. Who ever is the double teamer, will leave a shooter open that is very capable of hitting a wide open shot. We'll see how long that double lasts....and how long bynum can stay out of foul trouble to even make it an issue.

[DazedAndConfused]

Kurt has a decent midrange jumper but he is far from automatic. Hate to burst your bubble but defenders leave him wide open with that shot even on Seattle.

[DazedAndConfused]

Right so apparently Tim Duncan is God since he can pass out of any double team and can score on any defender at will. Keep drinking the kool-aid guys.

He has his weaknesses just like any other player.

[cash459]

Kurt has a decent midrange jumper but he is far from automatic. Hate to burst your bubble but defenders leave him wide open with that shot even on Seattle.

ok, theres not a single player in the NBA who is "automatic"

The point is, if he hits a few, the double off him stops, so they try someone else and the cycle repats itself. It's not like the spurs dont have players that have range or can't shoot.

, even if it means one more pass to swing it around, and then they get a open look at a 3 or like someone else said, a streking/cutting manu, finley, udoka or parker

[ChumpDumper]

Hate to burst your bubble but his jumper is very good.

We already know you have declared this year's paper champion, so bring something different.

[z0sa]

Right so apparently Tim Duncan is God since he can pass out of any double team and can score on any defender at will. Keep drinking the kool-aid guys.

He has his weaknesses just like any other player.

his weakness is freethrow shooting. passing out of doubleteams and scoring on defenders at will is something tim does very often.

so yes, you are correct in our assumptions.

[ChumpDumper]

Right so apparently Tim Duncan is God since he can pass out of any double team and can score on any defender at will. Keep drinking the kool-aid guys.

He has his weaknesses just like any other player.

Like all the Lakers have weaknesses.

[cash459]

Right so apparently Tim Duncan is God since he can pass out of any double team and can score on any defender at will. Keep drinking the kool-aid guys.

He has his weaknesses just like any other player.

nobody said he didnt have any weaknesses, lord knows he has shown those at times.... , look at last nights game....

the point is, he IS a great passer for a big man & getting doubled is nothing new to him. he will take on the challenge and work through it like the champion that he is.

[DazedAndConfused]

He has never been double teamed by two 7 footers before. That's my whole point. He won't be able to see over the double team to find open teammates all over the floor. His court vision will be severely limited.

[z0sa]

He has never been double teamed by two 7 footers before. That's my whole point. He won't be able to see over the double team to find open teammates all over the floor. His court vision will be severely limited.

ben wallace and sheed might not be seven footers, but theyre wayyyyyy better at single/help defense than gasol, bynum and odom combined. edit: not only that, they were playing probably at the peak of their careers, both defensively and offensively, in an intense playoff situation where their defense would have been at its highest level.

your point fails.

[cash459]

ben wallace and sheed might not be seven footers, but theyre wayyyyyy better at single/help defense than gasol, bynum and odom combined. edit: not only that, they were playing probably at the peak of their careers, both defensively and offensively, in an intense playoff situation where their defense would have been at its highest level.

your point fails.

true dat!

[DazedAndConfused]

This is what we are missing right now with Bynum out. Despite what you think about Kaman he is putting up great numbers this year.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=5_gH72uDLkg

[cash459]

Kaman is a joke of a defender.....so you're basically saying that kaman and Duncan are the same player?!? Because you obviously keep using kaman as a measuring stick....that argument holds no water.

Plenty of that highlight, bynum has his hands, arms all over him and blatant pushing. plus, that quickness and explosiveness is going to take some time to get back. both to get aclamated to his knee and to get into playoff shape.

So again, yes he has skills, yes he has potential, but there is no way in any world, that you can compare kaman to Duncan....that is a joke

[Holt's Cat]

Please double team Tim Duncan.

[Man In Black]

I don't get it...Is dazed and confused actually saying that his 2 7-footers with no d-team placements, play defense better together against Tim Duncan(even though they have yet to actually play 1 second on the court together) than A DPOY player in Ben Wallace, and Tim's toughest 1 on 1 cover in Rasheed Wallace plus the smothering rotation that is Detroit?

You're joking right D&C? Hey at least you got the right name.