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What a party pooper.
I think Barry would be a great commentator!
What a party pooper.
Yea, that's exactly how I look at it. Also, he has to look at it from a playing time standpoint as well. With the Spurs, he'd be behind Manu, Finley, and Udoka in playing time.
I don't understand why does Timvp think Barry will be a "legend" if he decides to come back with the SPurs? Does he mean if they win another championship with him??
Because Spurs fans will treat him like one.
Can you imagine him and Sean interacting with eachother? No one would be able to watch the game because everyone would be cracking up histarically the whole time!
First off, I don't think it's a surprise to Barry that he was traded this time. If the Spurs thought they could bring him back clearly they made it clear that they wanted him back and that they expected the Sonics to waive him. Given the swiftness with which the Sonics waived him it definitely looked pre-arranged. Of course, the Sonics did need a roster spot after that 3way trade (IIRC).
So the Spurs are offering a 3 year deal. Great. Then Barry can be dealt this summer or next year again or anytime after that up until February of 2010. One would have to think he has considered that.
I don't see the Spurs having a shot at bringing him back unless there was some kind of discussion beforehand.
Hey, he has a chance to go to Phoenix, get minutes, and perhaps help a new team win a le. That may appeal to him.
I don't see it as a given that he'll return to SA. And if he doesn't, Spurs fans will need to check themselves before they start running him down.
Disclaimer: I want Brent back. He was one of my favorite active players ever.
The assumption that the Spurs are offering a better deal is truly an assumption. They seem to be offering an extra guaranteed year, but there were plenty of rumors that Brent planned to retire after this contract. A guaranteed deal for the vet min? Brent's been highly courted enough to make him wonder if taking a shorter deal and testing the market for MLE might not be a better course of action. A guaranteed deal is good if he wants to play and may not get the opportunity, but it may seem too restrictive to Barry and future considerations.
As for the kids - the school year is only a bit 3 more months long. There was a sense that the Barry's would move back to the West Coast when Brent retired - there is no reason to uproot the kids for a short term contract. Plenty of players and families make it work while living in two different cities. In fact, several Spurs players have made it work, including Robert Horry and AJ - both of their families live/d in Houston during their careers. And you aren't even talking about that much time.
Barry considering who he assists to a fifth ring as a logical line of reasoning is ludicrous. Brent doesn't give a about who gets their fifth ring first - he just wants a third, and wants to go where he feels he has the best chance of getting it. We may want Duncan to get the 5th first, to put to rest the arguments about dominant big men, but I cannot see why Brent Barry is supposed to care.
Playing time is a bigger issue, because he knows what the Spurs can offer him, and he may have promises from Kerr about more extensive playing time. But that has to be balanced with D'Antoni's inability to count to 8 and loath of using his bench players in any meaningful way.
In terms of loyalty for getting the rings he's got - I don't see what loyalty exists. And I'm not talking about the trade. He helped the team to get those rings. He wants another ring, and he wants to help the team get it. Presumably that means not being buried on the bench. Past rings don't automatically equal loyalty.
I'd buy the argument much more if you said that he should want to help defend the le/establish a dynasty/be part of legacy. Because that may actually carry some weight.
Again, I want Brent to return quite badly - but the reasons you list for his return don't add up.
Thank you Mary Poppins.
That's exactly the point. Let's all look beyond our "silver and black" glasses folks. Brent doesn't owe the Spurs or Spurs fans anything. I don't agree with the rhethoric that "Brent is a traitor if he goes elsewhere", and "Brent needs to remember the Spurs got him 2 rings", or "Brent will achieve iconic status if he returns."
We hear all the time how "the NBA is a business". Certainly that is true. Very rarely does a player get to choose his own destination. Sure, he seems like a loyal cat and I'm sure he'll factor in the intangible elements like chemistry, his relationships with players & coaches.
Regardless of his decision, give the guy props for being a good player and a good fit for the team while he was here. If he comes back, wonderful. If he doesn't, let's wish him well. Later on, we can jeer, sneer and curse him the way we would any other opposing player - especially if it's the Suns. Perhaps, Horry could even give him his own personal hip-check into the scorer's table.
And get off the family kick. They've moved before. Barry's on the road a lot as it is with a NBA schedule. I'm sure they could move somewhere else, settle down, and have a good time.
It is what it is. Come back to the program you know, a program that has won 3 les in the last 5 years and given you two rings. But there's no guarantee that you won't be dealt again. Or go somewhere unproven, but a place where you can be a difference maker.
This isn't a lock people. We fans think in terms of loyalty and what is best for the Spurs, but those who actually live it have their own agendas. It's like you and your boss. Your boss would like it if you'd work for 50% less, work on weekends and nights, not be paid when not needed and never leave. So what if your boss offers you a gold Timex? You already have a couple of those.
I like this.
Everything you said makes perfect sense. This is one of those issues where I'm leading with my heart instead of my head. Not a way to ever look at business issues.
, certain Spursfans didn't check themselves when he was a member of the team...why start now?
You think the Spurs win championships by telling themselves it's a business when they are playing? Do you think that is the bond that they have when the come together to win a le? It's not...it's not what they are thinking about. They are thinking it's us...vs them. And when Barry is in that opposing uniform...by choice, not because the Spurs didn't want him...
I can guarantee you they aren't going to be thinking in the terms you guys are thinking now...
It'd be one thing if the Spurs didn't want him back(although I still question the wisdom of going to a teams top rival), it'd be one thing if he was getting lowballed...but they did, and he isn't...
And instead of electing to stand with them and defend their le...he elected to stand with their enemy and take it from them. He had the choice...
They'll know he chose to be on the opposing side...and they aren't going to care why...they'll just know he chose.
I am sure more than one Spur has issues with Pop as do all players with coaches everywhere...but Barry's not a coach, he's a player. And it's the players that he is betraying.
On the court...that's what it is going to be about...not all the high minded ideals you guys are talking about right now. They'll be trying to kick his butt extra...and every three he hits for the Suns is going to piss le craving Spursfans off just a little extra, every scheme he tips his teamates too is going to be just a little more salt in the wounds....when they realize he chose to be hitting that three against them...Whether they admit it now or not. Because fans don't think in the terms you guys are thinking now either...wait and see.
So talk about the way you think it should be...but that's not the way it's going to be...
How is Barry betraying anyone? Unless he's told his teammates he would be back, then he's not if he signs elsewhere. Absolute loyalty expected, but not returned? You must be a fan.
I brought up family not because of the kids going to school and the family having a good time, but rather because of the community service/charity work that Erin & Brent have established here. However, of course, they can do it elsewhere too.
What have the Spurs done that is disloyal to Barry?
I am not talking about that they considered trading him for good...Barry has probably thought he made the wrong decision to sign here from time to time as well...that's diffrent.
This trade was not disloyal...they aren't trying to screw him out of money, they aren't trying to get rid of him permanently, and they want him back...
...he's going to make extra money this season because of this trade...and he's got a better chance of winning a le now than he did before...no matter what he does.
How did they wrong Barry here?
How were they disloyal?
They didn't...they weren't...
Next.
If he goes to the Suns? That's the shot right there....
True, but when he moved to SA, Quinn was not 3 yet and was an only child. He is now almost 7 and Cade was born here and will be 2 this year.
I would love to see Barry announce he's made his decision, show up at the press conference with a Sun's T-shirt. And say "I've made my decision" As he says that he rips off his Suns shirt to reveal a Spurs shirt underneath. That'd be so good.
How do you know the Spurs offered him a 3-year deal?
Although this article ignored Boston and virtually assured us that Barry will stay in the West, logic says he'd have a statistically better chance of winding up in the Finals with the Celtics since they don't have as much compe ion as the teams in the West.
His brother Jon is quoted in Houston as saying that he wants to (a) go to a team with a good chance of winning it all and (b) being a substantial role contributor, (eg. getting some substantial minutes or being more than a pine player) Of course Jon was touting Houston hard, but that was before the fall of the Great Wall.
And never underestimate the allure of Brent being able to say someday, "I played for the legendary Boston Celtics and helped them win a le that brought them back to their glory days."
I don't buy the Suns as a big compe or. But Boston could be another story.
In waiving Barry they've done nothing disloyal. I'm sure they knew Presti was not going to hold onto Barry. I'm sure Barry knew Pop wanted him back. What they did was make a move to significantly nhance their and Barry's chances of winning a le. If Barry is pissed about that then he's being ridiculous.
Past years it was about Barry lacking aggression on offense to Pop's satisfaction, playing gun shy at times, and that was legitimate. This year even Barry has said he's played more relaxed, the way Pop wanted him to play to begin with.
hmm I thiught it was rather ironicly
but what do I know?
Yep. We'll give him the Clemens treatment. He only has to play home games and can fly home to San Antonio on road trips.
You'll shoot him up with steroids and HGH?
I hate baseball.
The loyalty Brent feels is for his friends, but if they are indeed his friends, they will respect the choice he makes.
I do not know what is so difficult to understand about the idea of going to the Suns where they have been desperate for someone to run the offense when Nash comes out. Brent would actually get to play with the ball in his hands and set his teammates up- much more like he did in Seattle and of which he got little chance in San Antonio. He fits in there better from a basketball stand point and a playing time stand point. If the Barry's did not intend to stay in San Antonio long term, then the pull of the city does not matter. Did people actually expect when this season began for Brent to be here next season anyway?
Hmmm, I wonder if the so called third year would be team option, player option or guaranteed? The idea of a 38 year old Barry taking up salary cap space doesn't sound to appealing. Since it is vet minimum, it would be inexpensive to buy out.
I don't think the Suns are going anywhere and will be wasting another year of Nash at this level........
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