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For some odd reason, I'm not too scared.
For some odd reason, I'm not too scared.
Yeah, I forgot......you don't have a car!
That picture is much funnier when you realize that the old fart is pissing in the gas tank on his own car.
.... and then there is that little bit of reality, where you know that flap is splattering piss all over the old dude's hands.
Israel treats its Arabs worse than it treats its Jews. Fine.Tell me, what relevancy does any other nations treatment of their citzens have to do when discussing whether or not Israel treats their Arab citzens properly?
Your underlying point is that it is understandable for Sri Lanka to reject Israeli aid because Israel is one of the worst countries on earth, on a par with violent hate groups, because of the way it treats its Arabs.
However, the very report you cited points out that Israel treats its Arabs better than most countries in the region treat any of their subjects.
So, if I am to understand your logic correctly, it is worse to be discriminatory towards citizens with lesser oppression than it is to treat them all equally with greater oppression.
I guess this makes sense. Leftists love communism and hate capitalism. Under capitalism, society is less equal. Under communism, just about everyone suffers. So to a leftist the latter is better because there is no discrimination. As long as human rights abuses are meted out equally to the entire population, leftists are OK with it.
What an interesting value system.
The day you see me support communism as a form of government will be a cold day in indeed.
However, I understand that you can't step away from making judgements based on a limited scope of views that you have seen of mine. I can understand your need to fit everyone into a mold based on a few posts. Perhaps I can view EQUAL OPPORTUNITY, not Equal results, as equality. But you know, you keep catagorizing me before you even know what I stand for. But when you get it wrong, don't act suprised mr. conclusion jumper.
Anyhow, back to the subject at hand. Perhaps I have the bar set at a certain level for countries, and Israel doens't meet it. Yes, there isn't a damn country in the middle east that does, but:
1. We were discussing Israel, not Saudia Arabia. I wasn't being called a hater of islam for hating the country that has Mecca in it, go figure.
2. The actions of other countries have ZERO bearing when determining if one countries actions are right.
Actually, we were discussing Sri Lanka and its actions towards Israel, and whether they were defensible. So I would submit that the behavior of other nations from which Sri Lanka is accepting aid is indeed relevant. If they are pleased to get help from nations who treat their citizens worse than Israel treats its Arabs, then I think it's a reasonable guess that Sri Lanka's motivation is not moral principle, but anti-Semitism and anti-Israel rejectionism. (BTW, Sri Lanka is primarily Buddhist, not Muslim)Anyhow, back to the subject at hand. Perhaps I have the bar set at a certain level for countries, and Israel doens't meet it. Yes, there isn't a damn country in the middle east that does, but:
1. We were discussing Israel, not Saudia Arabia. I wasn't being called a hater of islam for hating the country that has Mecca in it, go figure.
2. The actions of other countries have ZERO bearing when determining if one countries actions are right.
And you have compared Israel to Satanists and to violent hate groups like the Ku Klux Klan. Now, either you have to admit that pretty much every nation in that part of the world is also comparable to Satanists and the Ku Klux Klan, in which case the comparison loses any meaning, or you are singling out Israel unfairly. Usually that is done, either to copycat European anti-Semitism (more likely in Sri Lanka), or to capitulate to Arab/Muslim rejectionism as a matter of appeasement (a la France, or American liberals).
Now, I understand fully the concept of setting the bar higher for Israel. Israel is a modern, first-world industrialized nation, not some third-world backward thug state. As such, Israel is expected to act like a modern, first-world industrialized nation, and too often they do not, but instead get dragged down to the level of their neighbors.
I don't think that's why Israel is the pariah of the world, though. I think there is a millenia-long history of hating the Jews in the West, I think the Muslims cannot tolerate the loss of control around the vicinity of their third-holiest city, and I think a lot of people would rather take the cowardly way out through empty rhetoric, villification, and appeasement, than to implement any meaningful solution to the Arab-Israeli conflict.
And yeah, I tend to crap on the heads of leftists. I split liberals into two camps: one, for those whose American values lead them to more leftward views than mine, and another, for those whose leftward views lead them to reject American values. I enjoy the former, but have no tolerance for the latter. If I determine that you really belong better in the first camp, I would have no cause to be harsh towards you.
See, the problem in this discussion can't disassociate Israel with Judism. Sri Lanka rejected ISRAELI aid, not JEWISH aid.
Did you know the 2 countries don't have any diplomatic relations?
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BTW, I still maintain my comparisson between Israel and the KKK. I don't know much about satanism (and I'd venture to say the same about everyone else in here), so I can't make that one.
Worldwide rancor toward Israel makes little sense without considering anti-Semitism. What Israel is doing to the Palestinians is wrong, but similar behavior by other countries is ignored.
In addition, Communists after World War II clandestinely supported the creation of the Jewish state solely so they could blame the United States for whatever Israel might do in fighting the Arabs, thus gaining the Soviets better influence in the region and access to oil. And now, 60 years later, whenever Israel does anything to the Arabs, leftists still blame the United States.
Sri Lanka restored diplomatic relations with Israel in 2000. And after doing a little research, Sri Lankan antipathy towards Israel has something to do with the Mossad and the IDF playing both sides in Sri Lanka's 1985 civil war. There is enormous mistrust when Israel even suggests putting an IDF soldier on the island.
And you're still arguing for anti semetic reasoning?
What the ?
Well, if you won't similarly make the comparison between Tikritis and the KKK, or between Islam Karimov's government and the KKK, or between the ChiComs and the KKK, then what are we to conclude other than that you have an irrational hatred of Israel?
Before the news reports were cleansed, the Sri Lankan diplomat indicated he didn't want any Zionists' help. He didn't say, hey, we'll take help but keep the IDF out. Maybe that one diplomat had an irrational hatred towards Israel.
Since the new year, Sri Lanka has bowed to international disdain toward its at ude and is accepting non-military assistance from Israel, including supplies and medical personnel. So apparently international opinion was not on your side.
Who said I won't compare those other governments to the KKK?
That's crap, because the only mission they rejected was the one consisting of 150 IDF personel. They had already accepted jewish aid before the rejection came.
You can save your efforts Extra Stout. Manny will wiggle out of anything you come up with. In the first place, he is highly insulted if you exhibit that you are more savvy on the subject(and you are) than he is. He is an expert at insulting people just because they don't happen to agree with him. Case in point....watch him jump on this post for example.
OK, here. Do so. The Islamic Republic of Iran arrested a bunch of internet bloggers and women working for humanitarian NGO's, and tortured them until they confessed to sedition. Human Rights Watch published several articles about it. This reflects an ongoing effort by the Iranian judiciary to repress any organization by women or religious moderates, and to consolidate their hold on power against any reformist movement (i.e., moderate Shi'a Islam).
The KKK used to infiltrate and disrupt, with violence up to and including lynching, any attempts by blacks to practice freedom of expression or to organize themselves, in order to consolidate the white supremacists' hold on power against any reformist movement (i.e., civil rights).
Are the two comparable?
Remember that the BBC article, as well as the others, were scrubbed to remove the hate speech from the Sri Lankan diplomat. That government is eager to cover up its original distasteful position.That's crap, because the only mission they rejected was the one consisting of 150 IDF personel. They had already accepted jewish aid before the rejection came.
He's young, and probably impressionable. Older liberals explain to him that liberals hold their views because they are better-informed and smarter than everybody else. A well-informed, intelligent non-leftist (calling me a "neo-con" or a "religious rightist" would be highly inaccurate) is a contradiction to that axiom.In the first place, he is highly insulted if you exhibit that you are more savvy on the subject(and you are) than he is. He is an expert at insulting people just because they don't happen to agree with him.
Wow, that sounds like Yonivore, NeoCon and some of the others on this board.
Of course the actions of government of Iran are reprehensible. Isn't it possible to oppose Israel and Iran at the same time?
Regardless of what was in the articles, the fact remains that the only thing rejected was a mission that comprised of 150 IDF personnel.
Once again, you have very little grasp on what I believe, and you've tried to paint me with a broad "liberal" brush.
You can believe what you want about me and it's not going to to really matter in the long run, but if there is one thing you are not as well informed on as me about it is my leanings.
Here's an idea. When trying to form an image of someone, stop trying to fit them into a mold based upon a few simlitarities you find.
Anyhow, you can listen to Hook Dem as much as you like. But the reality of the situation is that I both respect and learn lots of things from many people who post in here and are not to the left at all. Guro of Nothing, Spurminator, Scott, Marcus Bryant, and others all post things I agree with to a large degree (as well as things I disagree with) and NONE of them would be considered leftist.
For the record, I do think I'm both smarter and more well informed than Hook.
Oh, and I'd love to see examples of where I've been insulted due to people having more savvy.
Feel free to like the posts where that happens because the forum must be overrunning with them.
"For the record, I do think I'm both smarter and more well informed than Hook." ....................................Manny.....It is quite possible you are more informed than I but you're kidding yourself if you think you're smarter. You've got a long way to go. Don't underestimate your advesaries. Besides, I'm better looking than you!
You can have the looks all you want Hook. At my age, I can still get it up without viagra. Can you?
I lost both arms in the war. How do you think I'm typing?
A terror with the ladies is about right.
Tell me, do you get the sexy depends or the normal ones?
Stop stealing my depends crack Manny.
my bad.
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