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Ok, i can understand that....here are TP's career #'s against the Nets...mind you Kittles hasnt been in NJ since the '03-'04 season
Career Stats vs. Nets
Games: 11
PPG: 16.8
FG%: 50%
FT%: 70.4%
3pt%: 27.8%
Rebs: 4.0
Asts: 4.2
TO: 3.1
My exact thoughts when I was reading his post.
Parker was murdering Kidd in SA those first couple of games.
Additionally, that was a very immature, inexperiences Tony parker. The current TP would run circles around Kittles, too, along with shooting from the outside.
Ok, i can understand that....here are TP's career #'s against the Nets...mind you Kittles hasnt been in NJ since the '03-'04 season
Career Stats vs. Nets
Games: 11
PPG: 16.8
FG%: 50%
FT%: 70.4%
3pt%: 27.8%
Rebs: 4.0
Asts: 4.2
TO: 3.1
TP scored 26 points on JKidd in game 3 to take back homecourt from the Nets who won game 2 in SA. Scott adjusts with Kittles on TP in game 4.
Then in game 6 Tim Duncan records 21 points, 20 rebounds, 10 assists, and 8 blocks. That has to be one of the top 5 individual performances in NBA Finals history.
if you dont remember those Finals were one of the least watched ever because it was the worst possible matchups one could imagine. I didnt analyze the 03 Finals bc it was awful to watch, check the scores
That was when Speedy mother in Claxton came in and lorded over Jason Kidd. Games 1-2 Parker was lights out and in Finals MVP running
On topic, i say put Kidd on Bowen, Terry on Parker, other guy, George? on Manu.
Trophies aren't given out for losing in Finals with better ratings, as you should well know.
And Shaq was the only reason anyone bothered to watch the '06 Finals.
Ratings, the last resort for the desperate.
In the first three games, Parker averaged 21 ppg and 5.3 apg on 46% shooting.
Mavfans...I promise you, Tony Parker is happier about you guys trading for Kidd than you are...
You probably could have gotten him to pay for Kidd's plane fare into Dallas. Seriously... , he'd proably have packed his bags and carried them onto the plane for him just so he'd get to Dallas sooner.
Harris being gone is just dessert...
your stating i didnt watch bball until 2006 and im saying i didnt follow those finals nor did anyone else as closely as a spurs fan would. this aint got nothing to do with the mavs 06 choke job....but go ahead and bring that up in your arguement bc it has so much relevance
I would say its top 3 in the modern era, with Bird's performance in 84 or 86 being number one (the one where he had some 35pts, 12rbs 12asts)
Wilt averaged 25 rebounds in one finals series, hence why I say modern era. If we consider every finals series, i dont think tim's performances cracks the top 5.
and for the record i never said JKidd was a TP stopper, i was just bringing forth stats
your stating i didnt watch bball until 2006 and im saying i didnt follow those finals nor did anyone else as closely as a spurs fan would. this aint got nothing to do with the mavs 06 choke job....but go ahead and bring that up in your arguement bc it has so much relevance
Ok...you didn't follow them...and thus you are ignorant and operating under the serverely WRONG belief that Jason Kidd can guard Tony Parker..
Just admit it and stop trying to use stats from a series you didn't watch to know something you don't...
It only makes you look stupid and unknowledgable...Kidd can't guard Parker. He couldn't guard Parker when he still had knees and Parker was in diapers.
I made no such statement.
Well, you made statements regarding the quality of play in the 2003 NBA Finals. The 2006 NBA Finals is quite relevant, given its outcome and the fact that you are indeed a fan of the Dallas Mavericks.and im saying i didnt follow those finals nor did anyone else as closely as a spurs fan would. this aint got nothing to do with the mavs 06 choke job....but go ahead and bring that up in your arguement bc it has so much relevance
Always love bowen to guard dirk, but also like it when TP messes with his head sometimes.
I want to see Udoka try to guard him some too.
I would imagine Terry will "guard" Parker and they'll stick Kidd on Manu or Bowen. And I would imagine Josh guards TP or Manu in crunchtime, so the whole Kidd vs Parker thing is a little overblown.
Bring up all the stats all you want...but Kidd got lit up and Kerry Kittles was the guy that finally stopped him...Parker's stats don't look that good because Kittles shut his butt down...including a 1-12 performance in one game.
Stats are no subs ute for actually watching the game...
All you need to know? Is that Spurs fans would be more upset if you guys had signed Kerry Kittles...
Like i said i never stated that and was just wondering after looking at those stats from the finals why peolple said TP abuses Kidd. Thats why i made the post....nowhere did i say "Kidd can guard Parker"...You stated your claim and I can see why people would say that if Kittles switched over to Kidd that TP's stats diminished.
would hate to have him kill us on a 4th after these words... but what you say it makes senseYou can rotate Bowen and Udoka on him - sometimes Oberto and Timmy too.
You might be able to start games with Bowen on Josh Howard and have Bowen end games on Dirk. Because Josh Howard is a horrible 4th quarter player, so he doesn't really need anyone to guard him late in games
In the past three seasons against the Nets, in 5 games (Kidd didn't play in one game last year), Parker averaged 18.6 ppg, over 6 apg on 56% shooting.
True enough. Speedy Claxton became a Spurs legend because Byron Scott put Kidd on him so Speedy could abuse him as badly as Parker did before the Kittles switch.
If Kidd is as ill-suited to guard Parker as Spurs fans say he is, that will be established soon enough. He can be hidden on Bowen. We're not the freakin' Suns when it comes to defense. In crunchtime, I'm sure you'll see Josh guarding TP.
I think Avery would do that too. Hopefully Parker can beat him to the basket.
Who guards Parker?
Oh yeah...the back up PG for the NJ Nets..
Good luck
And who guards Dirk? Who guards Howard? Who guards Kidd? Who guards Terry? Who guards Duncan? Who guards Manu? Good players and great players get theirs.Who guards Parker?
Oh yeah...the back up PG for the NJ Nets..
Good luck
The Mavs traded away two guys that have had some success against the Spurs, and on paper they gave away a couple of matchup advantages. But that trade was about more than just beating the Spurs, it was about giving a team that had been going through the motions an emotional lift, and becoming better equipped to win four series, not just one against San Antonio. It was a risk and a tradeoff, especially considering how much younger Devin is. We'll see what happens. I'm tired of hearing about how Duncan is going to drop 60 points on Magloire and Parker is going to do the same to Kidd, who probably won't even be matched up on him.
When it comes to that 2006 playoff series, it was Dirk, Jet, Josh, Devin, Damp and Stackhouse who beat you, in that order. The Mavs are better overall after this trade. Whether they're better against the Spurs we'll soon find out. Just play the games already.
No one has to...that's the beauty of it. That wasn't true with Harris.
I hate to tell you this but Kidd is like a sub 40% shooter for his career...or close to it. Between that and his TO's...and the fact that you again have to become a passing ball movement oriented team(which is the teeth of the Spurs D)...you guys did just become the Suns again...only without a PG that can hang with Parker offensively like Nash can.
You're going to notice a difference in the chemistry between our two teams tonight...you're going to notice somethingt has changed and that edge you got against us by making AJ your head coach is going to be gone...because he can't run an iso oriented offense against us and force Pop to destroy his own defense anymore..
You want to know who's going to guarding Dirk? Whoever we put on him...and Jason Kidd's defender. *clang*
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