Americans are too stupid (and lazy) to understand how their government works.
Oh no, the first time a school administrator tries to enforce that law, the war is still on.@ ES stance change in this thread. Wow dude, that was sure quick.
Stupid liberals! WAR ON THE LIBERALS!
GOD DAMN IT WAR ON THOSE LIBERALS!
Then Chump says:
And then ES says:
! Its not liberals, cancel the war.
Texas beats the crap out of California at teaching "loyalty to the state".
Well, that actually happened, in Texas of all places, and the sodomites fought it all the way to the Supreme Court, and won. So those laws are null and void.
Why would they take sides? Colonial Idol is on.
"... chief concern was not the quality of the children's education
safety? in the kids own homes?
kids are safer in school than they are at home?
What about conventionally schooled kids when they go home after school? Who assures their safety then? (don't worry, they're working on it)
Why do they need to be "observed" at school or at home. You know the kind of middle-aged, unemployable fat s (like TSA gate staff) hired for school security won't defend anyone from anything.
All terra, all the time. America has turned into a gangs of bureaucratized fascistic, paranoid bullies frightened by their own shadows.
The default assumption by the state is that you are abusing your children until they verify otherwise."... chief concern was not the quality of the children's education
safety? in the kids own homes?
kids are safer in school than they are at home?
What about conventionally schooled kids when they go home after school? Who assures their safety then? (don't worry, they're working on it)
Why do they need to be "observed" at school or at home. You know the kind of middle-aged, unemployable fat s (like TSA gate staff) hired for school security won't defend anyone from anything.
All terra, all the time. America has turned into a gangs of bureaucratized fascistic, paranoid bullies frightened by their own shadows.
"... chief concern was not the quality of the children's education
safety? in the kids own homes?
kids are safer in school than they are at home?
What about conventionally schooled kids when they go home after school? Who assures their safety then? (don't worry, they're working on it)
Why do they need to be "observed" at school or at home. You know the kind of middle-aged, unemployable fat s (like TSA gate staff) hired for school security won't defend anyone from anything.
All terra, all the time. America has turned into a gangs of bureaucratized fascistic, paranoid bullies frightened by their own shadows.
Damn. You must hate, well, everyone.
At least he's bipartisan about it.
I know of someone who had CPS called on himself and his wife due to a disagreement his wife had at her workplace. CPS showed up at their house and interviewed their children without their parents present. Eventually the person who called in the retaliatory fake report was sent to the big house.
Still, you aren't your child's parent. It's just like your house. Think you own it? Don't pay your property taxes and see what happens.
I hope this gets settled properly. We already have too many lemmings in the USA.
To think that Arnold, or his buddies that he appoints are true conservative republicans is laughable.
They are independant leftist politicians. By far and away.
WTF are you talking about??
Religious persecution?? Are you serious?? Talk about taking something and running with it. All this has to do is that the State of California doesn't want any type of idiot saying they are homeschooling their children. It has more to do with monitoring the teachers and making sure they aren't just anybody without any formal training. While many of the homeschool parents/teachers are very good, there are a lot that are not good at all. The students have a right to a proper education and if this means that their parents/teachers need to take classes and become certified than that's what needs to happen. The State should make it easier for those who wish to homeschool their children to take classes and become certified. I see nothing wrong with making sure parents/teachers have some type of training.
And as many people have told you the judges are just upholding an already written law. If the people want to change it then fine, they can put it on the ballot.
If that's the case then I don't know why Big Brother let's anybody homeschool."A primary purpose of the educational system is to train school children in good citizenship, patriotism and loyalty to the state and the nation as a means of protecting the public welfare," the judge wrote quoting from a 1961 case on a similar issue.
And Arnold has come out against the ruling.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.p...w&pageId=58298
This coming from the guy who signed bills like this:
'Mom' and 'Dad' banished by California
Schwarzenegger signs law outlawing terms perceived as negative to 'gays'
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=58130
"Mom and Dad" as well as "husband and wife" effectively have been banned from California schools under a bill signed by Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, who with his signature also ordered public schools to allow boys to use girls restrooms and locker rooms, and vice versa, if they choose.
I guess he's got Homeland Security working on that:
Michigan School District Portrays Homeschoolers as "Terrorists"
http://www.home-school.com/news/terrorists.html
On Monday, September 20, the Muskegon Chronicle in Michigan reported on a "mock attack" on public school bus to test terrorism response.
According to the paper, the exercise was a simulated "attack by a fic ious radical group called Wackos Against Schools and Education who believe everyone should be homeschooled."
Today, these homeschool "terrorists," in a simulated attack, struck a busload of students in the Whitehall area killing more than a half-dozen and sending dozens more to hospitals. Although the attack was not real, it looked real and the students, emergency room personnel and firefighters responded as if it was real.
The exercise was funded by federal homeland security grants awarded to several area school districts and Muskegon County, Michigan.
The Muskegon Area Intermediate School District partnered with the Muskegon County Emergency Services to implement the mock terrorist attack.
According to the Muskegon Chronicle, the exercise was a simulated "attack by a fic ious radical group called Wackos Against Schools and Education who believe everyone should be homeschooled."
Eight or nine deceased students, represented by mannequins, were transported to the county morgue.
Frantic parents ran to the schools and hospital emergency rooms.
Because in this case the actions of a few are doing a dis-service to a greater good. Have you not heard? Academically speaking, homeschoolers do as well or better than their public school peers. I can almost guarantee that more than half of those parents are not certified with the state as licensed instructors. So now you are forcefully trying to impose that additional financial burden on them? You know how much that costs, in terms of processing fees, exams, and renewals?WTF are you talking about??
Religious persecution?? Are you serious?? Talk about taking something and running with it. All this has to do is that the State of California doesn't want any type of idiot saying they are homeschooling their children. It has more to do with monitoring the teachers and making sure they aren't just anybody without any formal training. While many of the homeschool parents/teachers are very good, there are a lot that are not good at all. The students have a right to a proper education and if this means that their parents/teachers need to take classes and become certified than that's what needs to happen. The State should make it easier for those who wish to homeschool their children to take classes and become certified. I see nothing wrong with making sure parents/teachers have some type of training.
And as many people have told you the judges are just upholding an already written law. If the people want to change it then fine, they can put it on the ballot.
What's worse is that most homeschooling parents have already conceded on the 'public-school tax' issue.... They were paying up.
Read below:
WTF are you talking about??
Religious persecution?? Are you serious?? Talk about taking something and running with it. All this has to do is that the State of California doesn't want any type of idiot saying they are homeschooling their children.What difference is it what the "State of California" wants? This ruling goes against the desires of the State Department of Education in the first place. What, do all bureaucrats monolithically follow the enlightened desires of Great Socialist Leader without abusing power or following their own agendas? In what world does that happen? Is that why you people think that system would work?
What this does is arm the petty left-wing school administrators that hate Christians to go after them. I've seen this happen in red-state yee-haw praise-Jesus Houston, Texas. Don't tell me it doesn't happen in freaking California.
The state DoE had outlined four legal means parents could homeschool their children. This ruling strikes down two of them. Nobody saw it coming. Those families are vulnerable.
California law with regard to the certification of private school teachers already disagrees with you. And the idea that parents need some kind of formal training is totally absurd. I know people who homeschool. If you're competent enough to get an associate's degree, much less a bachelor's, you're competent enough to homeschool your children, unless you have like twelve of them at once. The resources availble for parents to put together curricula and plan lessons are vast.
If we're going to argue that the presence of some incompetent homeschool teachers, or some bad results among a small fraction of homeschooled invalidates the whole scheme, well I guess we should do with public education too, since it has more than its fair share of incompetent educators and students who don't learn.
Oh, God, another government program. What, have you socialists figured out a way to make days longer than 24 hours so parents can fit in all this new training? This isn't rocket science. The bar of mental competence isn't that high, and if parents are making the decision to do this in the first place, they already are more motivated to do a good job than a significant fraction of professional educators who just show up to collect a paycheck.
Since California allows referendum, those affected would be negligent not to protect their own interests by getting this on the ballot (Ahnold has already committed to getting this changed). Neither do I think that outside the Bay Area there are all that many Californians opposed to homeschooling, so it's unlikely a ballot initiative to legalize it more explicitly would fail. As I've already mentioned, most people on the left are more in the "whatever, live and let live" category than the "religion is a plague and the state needs to cure it" group.
But I don't have any problem whatsoever with threatening the latter group with physical harm when they actually start acting on those beliefs.
Since public schools have done such a swell job at educating the nation's young, they should be allowed to maintain a local monopoly on K-12 education. Or is it the reverse?
This thread is schizophrenic-- trying to read the musings of holt cat and extra stout and create a consistent narrative here is like attempting to generate a cohesive image from a jackson polluck
I'm sorry. I wasn't writing to compensate for your stupidity.
My point from earlier in this thread stands: judges follow the existing law, even though it creates a potentially disfavorable result, and are derided (at least by some) as activists.
It's not my fault page 2 of this thread makes James Joyce seen coherent
You are searching for a "coherent" expository in a discussion on an internet message board. Again, I had no idea it was required to provide such an essay for you.
Conceded.
I was remarking more on my inability to figure out your point of view.
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