Active Hall-of-Famers

[ShoogarBear]

KG, AI, Dirk, Nash and Kidd are lock for the HOF

Gino also for his international career.
Yao probably for is huge impact on the world wide basketball market.

For the other players I don't really know.

"Um . . . wow. I mean, that really hurts."

[ShoogarBear]

Laettner will get in eventually, no question. Outside of a UCLA center and Bill Russell (and arguably Bradley and David Thompson), he had the greatest college career ever.

I think it weakens the Basketball HoF to a gigantic extent that they don't have separate College, NBA, and International hall.

[FromWayDowntown]

Laettner will get in eventually, no question. Outside of a UCLA center and Bill Russell (and arguably Bradley and David Thompson), he had the greatest college career ever.

I think it weakens the Basketball HoF to a gigantic extent that they don't have separate College, NBA, and International hall.

It would certainly make it easier for a lot of casual fans to understand why certain players are enshrined in the Hall of Fame.

I hadn't really thought about Sampson's argument before today. I think the thing that will forever cost him is the fact that Virginia never won a damned thing while he was there (and lost to Chaminade), but I don't think that detracts from the fact that he was one of the most dominant collegiate players ever. I think you're right about Laettner's collegiate greatness and I have no doubt that he belongs, given who's in, but I also wonder, given Sampson's difficulty getting recognized, Laettner might get overlooked as well.

[polandprzem]

Laettner will get in eventually, no question. Outside of a UCLA center and Bill Russell (and arguably Bradley and David Thompson), he had the greatest college career ever.

I think it weakens the Basketball HoF to a gigantic extent that they don't have separate College, NBA, and International hall.

How you can seperate some players achivenments?

[Mitch Cumsteen]

Calvin Murphy made it, at least in part, because he was a tremendous collegiate player at Niagara. He was a 3-time All-America player and was one of the most prolific scorers on a per game basis in NCAA history. I would absolutely agree that his NBA career didn't warrant enshrinement, but neither did Bill Bradley's.

At least Bill Bradley was on that historic Knicks team, and he also had the whole political thing too. What the did Calvin Murphy ever do other than act like a complete jackass when his consecutive free throw record was in jeopardy and get sued by his countless illegitimate kids for being a pedophile?

And this is straight from Artis's wikipedia page:
He played college basketball at Gardner-Webb Junior College and Jacksonville University, leading the Dolphins to the NCAA le game in 1970. During the two years Gilmore played NCAA basketball at Jacksonville, he became one of the few college players ever to average at least 20 points and 20 rebounds over a career. He led the NCAA in rebounding both years, and his career average of 22.7 rebounds per game is still the highest in NCAA Division I history.

In truth, the historical precedents that exist in some of these cases make Basketball Hall of Fame arguments really hard to make. Based on the precedents of Murphy and Bradley, there's no way in that a guy like Christian Laettner should be excluded -- Laettner is arguably the most accomplished male collegiate basketball player since the mid-80's. Like Murphy and Bradley, he had a decent (but not great NBA career) that included one All-Star appearance. On top of that, he matches Bradley in international accomplishments to some extent, having been a part of the original Dream Team and winning gold at Barcelona. I don't see how Murphy and Bradley can be in and Laettner excluded, but I suspect that will happen.

It's a really screwed up Hall of Fame, that is for damn sure.

[ShoogarBear]

I forgot about Sampson, too. And that's an excellent point.

There's no way you can take Laettner and not take Sampson. Laettner won more in college, but he had Grant Hill and Bobby Hurley and the best Sampson had was, who? Otis Wilson?

And on the basis of pro careers, there's no comparison.

[ShoogarBear]

How you can seperate some players achivenments?

They do it all the time in other US sports. The only kicker is that in basketball there's a big International contingent. And in essence, there already is mandate separation because of the different pathways to get into the basketball HoF.

[Galileo]

Artis Gilmore - How is this not Hall-of-Fame?

• Named to Sporting News’ Top 50 of the first 50 Years of the NBA

• Named to Athlon’s Top 50 of the first 50 Years of the NBA

• ABA Championship, Kentucky Colonels, 1975

• Career .599 field-goal percentage - highest in NBA history

• 3rd highest shot blocker in pro basketball history (3,178)

• 4th highest rebounder in pro basketball history (16,330)

• 14th of all time pro basketball scorers (24,941)

• Leading left-handed scorer in professional basketball history

• One of only eight players in college history to average 20 points and 20 rebounds per game over a career

• All Star in 11 of 17 years as a pro

• 5th best all-time for pro minutes played (43,836)

• Played 670 consecutive games

• ABA Most Valuable Player and Rookie, 1971-72

• ABA single-season record for the most blocked shots (422)

• All-time ABA rebounds per game (40)

• Won 4 out of 5 ABA rebounding les

• Led Jacksonville University to the NCAA championship final game vs UCLA in 1970

• Top of ESPN’s list of “Players Missing From The Hall Of Fame”

http://www.artisgilmore.com/Career_Profile.html

[Galileo]

non-active NBA Players not in Hall who should be:

Michael Jordan

Karl Malone

Hakeem Olajuwon

David Robinson

Scottie Pippen

Patrick Ewing

Gary Payton

John Stockton

Jo Jo White

Adrian Dantley

Mitch Richmond

Chet Walker

Bob Dandridge

Tim Hardaway

Willie Naulls

Dennis Johnson

[mathbzh]

"Um . . . wow. I mean, that really hurts."

Sorry but I don't really get it. I guess your post is funny but can't understand why.

[gospursgojas]

How is Kobe not a lock?

VC????Arenas???

[Sec24Row7]

Manu, Horry and TD should all be locks to be HoF players.

Horry is the only player that didn't play with Bill Russell that has more than 6 rings.

TD... Duh...

Manu... You can't keep him out. He isn't probably going to get put up before he is 50... but he will get in.

[polandprzem]

They do it all the time in other US sports. The only kicker is that in basketball there's a big International contingent. And in essence, there already is mandate separation because of the different pathways to get into the basketball HoF.

Okay so when we have for excample Bill walton. He will make callege HOF and NBA HOF am I right? Or can he be in only one?

Basketball is being played in Europe also so you think that there should be european HOF? What about the others? People who made this sport like coaches or managers.

Umm, I've got a feeling that I'm asking meaningless questions...

Where is exit?

[Admiral]

Grant Hill? In the Hall of Fame? No way. The same goes for players like Ray Allen. While those guys are good players, they haven't done anything to warrant Hall of Fame status in my book. I would rather err on the side of caution when it comes to enshrinement. Otherwise, every player who has ever played in an All-Star game or scored over 18 ppg one season will be in.

[ShoogarBear]

Sorry but I don't really get it. I guess your post is funny but can't understand why.

Look at who you named, and who you didn't, in your post.

[ShoogarBear]

Okay so when we have for excample Bill walton. He will make callege HOF and NBA HOF am I right? Or can he be in only one?

Right now there IS only one. So he would get in mostly on the strength of his college career.

If there were separate ones (or separate wings in a single Hall) then he would be a lock for the College Hall, but there would be debate about whether he played enough to make the NBA one.

Basketball is being played in Europe also so you think that there should be european HOF?

In my version, there would be an International Wing for those players.

Right now there are no set criteria to distinguish college vs. International vs. NBA players. John Wooden is in the HoF as a player and also as a coach. If you don't clearly delineate your criteria, putting John Wooden in as a player justifies putting, say, Robert Horry in as a player.

What about the others? People who made this sport like coaches or managers.

I would have the same three different branches for them as for players.

mm, I've got a feeling that I'm asking meaningless questions...

Where is exit?

Not at all.

[mathbzh]

Look at who you named, and who you didn't, in your post.

Sorry, my post was not clear enough. I just talked about player making debate in this thread. Duncan, Shaq or Kobe are so obvious HOFer that I didn't feel I had to talk about them.

[Korny Earl]

holy if manu isnt on this list.. olympic gold medal. championship(s) with the biggest basketball league in the world.. unlike a lot of people on that list. a completely dominate player to sports center highlights.. and pretty much etc.
just by that 1 damn player missin id say the list has multiple issues...

[mathbzh]

holy if manu isnt on this list.. olympic gold medal. championship(s) with the biggest basketball league in the world.. unlike a lot of people on that list. a completely dominate player to sports center highlights.. and pretty much etc.
just by that 1 damn player missin id say the list has multiple issues...

This list is the result of statistical analysis on players NBA numbers and accomplishments (MVP, les, ASG...). With this approch and given his short NBA career Ginobili can't be on that list.
I believe this statistical analysis is quiet useless given the small size of the sample and the number of degrees of freedom.

[Korny Earl]

Awards
Italian League All-Star: 1999, 2000, 2001
Italian League Most Improved Player: 2000, 2001, 2002
Euroleague Most Valuable Player: 2001
Italian Cup Most Valuable Player: 2002
NBA All-Star: 2005
All-Tournament Team, FIBA World Championship: 2002, 2006
Ideal Olympics Team: 2004
Summer Olympic Games Most Valuable Player: 2004
Olimpia de Oro: 2003, 2004 (shared with Carlos Tévez)
50 Greatest Euroleague Contributors: 2008
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Italian League Championship: 2001
Italian Cup: 2001, 2002
Euroleague: 2001
Americas Championship: 2001
NBA Championship: 2003, 2005, 2007
Summer Olympic Games gold medal: 2004
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- Now I know the majority of this is foreign, but if this isnt a hall of fame resume (not to mention hes still going strong as ) then i dont know wtf is.. i mean honestly who the here, suns, lakers or spurs fans really thinks ginobili wont make hall of fame? or do you all think duncan casted to big of a shadow? i SURE the dont.