I give JoeChalupa a lot of credit on this. He's being consistent, while so many other lefties are trying simultaneously to downplay the Obama-Wright relationship and claim that McCain's having been at campaign rallies with John Hagee and Rod Parsley is a huge deal.
P.S. To any reader: if you think that Rev. Wright is a horrible, horrible person who twists Christianity into hateful nonsense, while you enjoy watching Hagee and Parsley on TBN because of their great sermons, you're 1) a racist, 2) a crank, and 3) have zero sense of irony.
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Not to that extreme I don't. I don't blame John McCain for Hagee's idiotic remarks or that he had close ties with Bush or the pundits who choose to use
"Hussein" when referring to Barack Obama. I judge McCain for the person HE is...a man of honor and integrity who has served his Country proudly. I don't give a rat's ass what somebody else says.
And if you've researched and listended to Obama you'd realize that his views are not the same as his Pastor's on all issues.
Okay, let's see...you're equating John McCain accepting the endorsement of an admittedly radical right-wing preacher with Obama being a two-decades member of a church led by a bigoted America-hater? The man baptized his children, gave him the le of his book, "Audicity of Hope" for one of his extremist sermons, is considered a mentor by Obama, and sits in some official capacity on his campaign.
Sorry, I don't see the comparison.
That doesn't surprise me at all. Again, you see what YOU want to see. My point is that I don't see the quilty by association as you do. If the priest of my church gets busted as a pedophile does that condemn me too?
You must have been Hannitized.
What Obama needs to do now is set up a meeting with Rick Warren, following which he weeps about how much Warren has changed his life. Then he should give a speech about "Purpose-Driven Change." Perhaps some photos of Obama's children sitting at rapt attention while Warren preaches would help.
Bonus points to the first person who figures out what I'm talking about.
my two cents to this is that Hagee is basing his words from The Bible. (this may unleash a whole new monster, but oh well) Hagee is preaching about actions against God. i don't hear "black" or "white" this or that. the other guy is saying "white" "black". he also said the 9/11 attacks were brought on by us occupying other nations.
John "Jesus is not really the Messiah" Hagee? John "Rosh and Meshech mean Russia and Moscow" Hagee? Biblical?
BAAAAAAAAAAAAA.
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I believe Pat Robertson said something along those lines as well. I've heard some of the stuff Hagee preaches and I don't believe he is basing his words on the Bible that I know of. But then again I'm Catholic.
yeah. i was a little freaked out when i heard about this. he did defend his misuse of words. the le of that book was "in defense of israel". i've heard/seen hagee say numerous times the Jesus was The Messiah before and after this came out.
i've read a little about this. i see there's conflicting reports that it doesn't tie to russia, but russia is aiding iran with their nuclear project. i do remember hearing that ahmadinejad wants to "wipe israel off the face of the earth". that's awfully coincidential, don't you think?
i'd say so. yes
Israel is the centerpoint of The Bible. That's Hagee's biggest kick. I'm a big critic of these televangelists. I can't stand them and I believe they're why there are so many non-believers. Mainly because I used to play in the band for one. WV Grant. He was in prison at the time, but there were a lot of things I SAW that pissed the out of me and it definitely shook my faith in God. I look at it now and it actually shook my faith in the church not God. That was man's doing and i've said in the past the nothing good comes from man. Sorry to go off on that tangent, but I don't see Hagee as one of those televangelist loons. I don't he to his ministry or anything like that. I agree he may, at times, get a little too political in his teachings, but it ties in with The Bible. We all sometimes don't like what we hear. Hopefully that made sense.
I listened to a John Hagee sermon on the radio one evening driving from San Antonio to Corpus a few years ago when I had nothing to listen to but AM radio. I was particularly taken by his steadfast assertions that the Bible was not subject to interpretation which was immediately followed by his interpretation of the Bible.
No, I don't. There have been charlatans twisting the words of Scripture to fit current events, in order to convince people that Jesus is coming back next week, for centuries. There are always gullible, uninformed people who fall for it.
Etymologically, the idea that Rosh is Russia and Meshech is Moscow is ridiculous. I doubt Hagee even believes it. But hey, it sells books! And that's the point.
oh. one more thing that i left out. tying into the "Israel is the centerpoint of The Bible" comment i made. I meant to bring up the 6 day war. That's a testimony in itself. I know Israel did some preemptive attacks, but 8 countries to 1. come on now. and in most areas Israel was outnumbered 3 to 1.
Hagee teaches that God has a separate salvation plan for the Jews that does not involve faith in Jesus Christ. This is a heresy called hyperdispensationalism. As I've been satirically pointing out, it is necessary to ignore dozens, if not hundreds of Scripture references to make such a claim.
Likewise, the story of the 300 Spartans proves that Greek gods are real.
i agree with you there. whole heartedly. i've wondered about that. faith isn't always a clear path
you can be smart and compare a movie to what actually happened. and i did say "areas" not they were "outmanned" 3 to 1. it's all out there for you to look up those claims. go with Stout instead of Extra Stout before you go into a debate.
P.S. About Israel, you may have noticed how in 20 years, Israelis transformed Palestine from a seri-arid backwater with some almond trees into a prosperous industrialized nation and regional power. In the meantime, the Arabs still haven't discovered toilet paper. That may have something to do with why they can't beat Israel at wars.
hmm. have you seen the quality of living of al qaeda? we got two big holes and a very popular mayor over here that debunks your train of thought.
P.S. With regard to Israel being the center of the Bible, go re-read Romans 9-11 and find out who the children of Abraham are.
Yes, I remember how back in 2001 Muslims conquered the United States. Don't forget, the jizya is due April 15!
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