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After watching the Celts just rip the heart out of the Spurs I don't think any of this matters. The Celtics are winning the NBA championship this year.
I kinda give a fine about the rockets' winning streak
After watching the Celts just rip the heart out of the Spurs I don't think any of this matters. The Celtics are winning the NBA championship this year.
haha.. wow... talk about overreacting because of one game.
...how did we survive this long without you?
If it was someone on a Wizards forum spewin this nonsense (I know, there really aren't any good wizards forums.. one of the reasons I'm here), then I would be embarrassed for the image of my team's fans, and tell him to STFU.
And I'd say that makes you an idiot that tends to generalize...possibly with some codependence issues.
But,, this is a Spurs forum... so I'll just go ahead and let one person ruin my opinion of the knowledge of Spurs fans
Hey...by all means, live stupid
So whottt, in summary, the Rockets are a good defensive team but not a true defensive team, and the Rockets would not have won 22 straight with Yao, a 7'4" interior defender, but since they didn't have Yao for all the games, they won 22 straight, but shouldn't have, although you give them credit, but really no real credit because the opponents had missing players. Rick Adelman has had some good defensive teams, although not true defensive teams because they hack and swat, but good defensive teams and this one is not going to win because it doesn't have a good interior defense without Yao but this Adelman team is not suited for Yao or T-Mac(or Scola).
I think that makes this thread a very compelling one.
Dear whottt...how did we survive this long without you?
And I'd say that makes you an idiot that tends to generalize...possibly with some codependence issues.
Hey...by all means, live stupid
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Yes, because the guy ultimately pulling the strings is not a true defensive coach. He's knows how to coach defense, he's a good coach, but he's definitely on the D'antoni side of the ball before he's on the Pop side of it. He's an offensive coach. And while this team remembers JVG's disciplining and emphasis, it's not being enforced to the same degree by the current head coach.
Pretty much yeah...everyone thought they were going to drop off with Yao out and underestimated them, but really Adelman got the chance to make this team run in a way he's more used to.
and the Rockets would not have won 22 straight with Yao, a 7'4" interior defender, but since they didn't have Yao for all the games, they won 22 straight.
Adelman's teams always do this, they always do it. They used to do it when Webber or Peja would go down. they did it to us in the first round of the playoffs 2 years ago.
Yeah...like the 02 Kings in particular. He's really good at coaching that style, but no, it doesn't make them a true defensive team.Rick Adelman has had some good defensive teams, although not true defensive teams because they hack and swat,
I think it'll be the weakness of they team, they lost a 7'4 shotblocker.this one is not going to win because it doesn't have a good interior defense without Yao
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but this Adelman team is not suited for Yao or T-Mac(or Scola).
Yao is not suited for this team...but Yao is better suited for the playoffs.
I think that makes this thread a very compelling one.
And I think you think a team starting a 41 year old C, and physically limited PF, with no one else over the height of 6'10 healthy in their rotation, is a defensive powerhouse.
I think you're being ridiculous...equally so if you attempt to claim a team can replace JVG with Rick Adelman and not lose any focus on the defensive side of the ball.
The 06 Pistons only gave up a half a point more than the 05 Pistons...and they had a much better record, they weren't as good of a playoff team though, and neither will be the Rockets for similar reasons.
The Rockets interior defense has arguable gotten better with Mutombo in the game, blocking as many shots as he has and affecting even more, just as Yao was.
And whom might I ask are you describing as physically limited?? Scola? Landry? Hayes? This is one of the top PF tandems in the league right now.
The Rockets have been a great defensive team for going on four years now. Their defense has been even better with Adelman this year. You're gonna go nowhere with the whole "they're not a true defensive team" argument. You talk as if teams can't focus on offense AND defense... because that is EXACTLY what the Rockets have been doing.
On a more nitpicky note... I also find it amusing how you refer to Yao as 7'4".. when the shortest he has ever been listed since entering the league is 7'5", and although I think he really is 7'5", most people refer to him as 7'6" because it just sounds better.
Your hatred for the Rockets is painfully obvious.
Well, I do think the Rockets are a true defensive team or they wouldn't be keeping teams in the low 90s and holding teams to 42% from the field (2nd to the Celtics). They are doing it in a Western Division that is the most laden with talent in history, born-out by the fact 8 teams have >.600 winning pct..
The 22 games streak is impressive and should not be minimized. This team gets stops and plays the right way. Boston is better, and no team has all the matchup advantages but the Rockets are for real.
http://www.basketballprospectus.com/...p?articleid=30
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Here ya go Whott since you obviously haven't done any research prior to posting. As you can see, Adleman is no stranger to having highly ranked defensive teams. 1990-1993 as his best years as coach of the Portland Trailblazers.
Year Coach Off Def Wins
1987-88 Mike Schuler 4 9 53
1989-90 Rick Adelman 8 3 59
Avg. 1990-93 Rick Adelman 7 2 55
1993-94 Rick Adelman 8 12 47
1994-95 P.J. Carlesimo 6 7 44
Adelman's strong Portland teams won more with defense than with offense. His Sacramento teams featured terrific offenses, but were very good defensively as well. The Kings actually took more of a hit on defense than offense last year following Adelman's departure, which runs counter to conventional wisdom. Van Gundy's teams have been so consistently outstanding defensively, even when they have lacked elite individual talent on defense, that a drop-off at that end of the court is inevitable. Don't expect the Rockets to fall too far, however, especially since there are great defenders on the roster (most notably the perennially underrated Shane Battier, whom I picked First Team All-Defense a year ago).
Oh and by the way, love what they said about Scola
How good is Scola?
Does "real good" cover it?
Considered for years as the best NBA prospect in Europe, Scola served further notice of his talent over the summer in the FIBA Americas Championship. All Scola did for an Argentinean squad playing without NBA vets Manu Ginobili and Andres Nocioni was average 19.5 points and 7.5 rebounds on 55.7% shooting, leading Argentina to a runner-up finish and winning MVP honors in the process. A preseason visit by the Rockets to KeyArena offered me a first-person look at Scola, and I came away as impressed as ever. Scola put up 10 points and nine boards in 23 minutes, and showed an innate feel for the game. I loved the way he ran a pick-and-roll with McGrady, slipping to the basket, taking the feed and finding Yao all alone for a dunk when the help defense came.
Sonics Head Coach P.J. Carlesimo, familiar with Scola from when the Spurs owned his rights, raved about the rookie-in-name-only after the game.
"You do see him, because he fills up the stat sheet," Carlesimo said, "but he makes so many plays you don't even see--he makes a little pass, he comes up with a loose ball, he tips a ball out--he's a basketball player. He does stuff that helps the other guys on the team. It's a great knack. He's going to help them unbelievably. It's scary how much better I think they can be--not that they were bad to begin with."
Scola is far and away the most complete power forward the Rockets have had next to Yao. Van Gundy felt comfortable with Howard, but his game had atrophied and his inability to finish in the paint meant opposing teams did not always pay for double-teaming Yao with a second post player. Scola can score inside and out and will protect Yao, to some extent, from that defense. The Rockets were +11.5 points per 100 possessions with Hayes on the floor last season, just +2.3 with Howard. Scola should produce a figure much closer to Hayes' mark this season, and that will be an enormous boost for Houston.
I don't think you can be a true defensive team without having a true defensive coach.
The 22 games streak is impressive and should not be minimized. This team gets stops and plays the right way. Boston is better, and no team has all the matchup advantages but the Rockets are for real.
You again fail to see that Yao is not there...and I think you'll find that their def FG% has been in roughly the same ball park since the day they drafted him.
I know you will point out their success since he went out...and I will point out that they haven't faced a dominant inside team that was healthy since that happened...in fact they faced some exceptionally weakened inside teams in some cases missing as many as 2 starters.
You can't win 22 in a row without bringing it every night...but I don't think they have the interior defensive personnel to win a championship without Yao(And yes I still think he's a bad fit for Adelman's style).
Last edited by whottt; 03-18-2008 at 01:42 AM.
Yeah those were some good defensive teams, but they were also extremely talented teams period...and they weren't true defensive teams IMO.
False...they were really only good for one season...and they still weren't truly a defensive team.His Sacramento teams featured terrific offenses, but were very good defensively as well.
Doesn't surprise me...The Kings actually took more of a hit on defense than offense last year following Adelman's departure, which runs counter to conventional wisdom.
Exactly my point...plus you no longer have Yao...the primary(on court) reason the Rockets defense has been where it's at for the last few years.
Van Gundy's teams have been so consistently outstanding defensively, even when they have lacked elite individual talent on defense, that a drop-off at that end of the court is inevitable.
He's 7'5...he blocks shots. It matters.
Don't expect the Rockets to fall too far, however, especially since there are great defenders on the roster (most notably the perennially underrated Shane Battier, whom I picked First Team All-Defense a year ago).
You're starting a 41 year old Center dude and a rookie PF, being backed up by a rookie, and those are the good players in that rotation....you think about that for a second.
My bad...Scola's not a rookie...he's got an extensive history of choking in Euroleague finals
Forgot about that.
Yeah, I'm glad we have Yao down low to take advantage of all the opponent's hurt players being out
*poof*
*crickets chirping*
Damn that feels good.
Rocketfan = Buffalo on the Range
haha Whott, you deserve your day in the sun. The streak had to end sometime and if it's to the best team in the NBA then so be it. It was still fun to watch and anyway you cut it, 22 games in a row is still really impressive. Made them fun to watch.
That was a good run by the rockets
All the nba team should give the rockets a standing o....
Man...I sat and here and told you guys that you hadn't gone up against a strong interior team since Yao went out...and I got told I didn't know what the I am talking about...damn right I'm here to say I told you so.
I told you so.
rockets got their asses handed to them
now what will their confidence be like
or do they think they accomplished what they needed to with that long streak and choke the rest of the way?
Boston is better than the Rockets. Nothing new has changed there from my perspective, since last night's game.
Boston is the better than any team in the league right now. I can't see anyone being able to beat them 4 games out of 7. You can call their so called playoff inexperience, but that's a little overinflated. And you can say their bench isn't that great, but they added Cassell and that's a bench in and of itself. They have several go to clutch type players and so KG's constant aversion in big moments won't be such a factor. They can play any style of basketball. Rondo is a very underrated point guard. Pierce, Allen, House, Cassell, and KG they're always going to have scoring.
No doubt, unless the Spurs seriously put it all together, Boston is the team to beat.
Hmm...
Mine hasn't either...
Damn...I was pretty Solid in this thread.
Can we can get some thoughts about that mighty Rockets defensive frontline holding players to 39% FG?
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