Robinson
Duncan
You made yourself far stupider about 20 posts ago, take an Advil and go to bed before you need a doctor.
You miss the point entirely...I'm not saying Duncan didn't want it more than DRob...
I'm saying that doesn't mean he'd beat him in a game of one on one. As you are trying to argue that it does...
Oh and I'm also saying that anyone that thinks David Robinson was some kind of liabilty that kept us from winning a le...is an idiot. David Robinson WAS good enough to win an NBA le and then some...it was the Spurs that weren't.
I thought we were only talking about one-on-one? If that's the case then David would have won.
But team basketball is a different story. I'd pick Tim.. and one would be an idiot to not pick the smarter one. He's the cornerstone of both offense and defense of the San Antonio Spurs.
No i said that would be very close. They would both get games off eachother. If Duncan is locked in his low post game it is a nightmare to handle and he will win. If D-Rob is locked in he will use his strengths as an athlete and skill to win. I never said Duncan would dominate David one on one like you are saying David would over Tim.
How about those 2000 Suns when Duncan was injured and missed the playoffs?So, how about those Suns? I tell you...you sure can tell how a bigman impacts a team
Right but i think one on one it is close. In a team game i am taking Tim every single time.
That was the first ever game I watched of DRob whottt, how ironic.
That's my feelings exactly.
People here may be voting based on who's a better player, not a 1-1 matchup. I thought this might happen.
David Robinson has a degree in mathematcis, qualified for MENSA on his college entrance exam, used to build TV's and stereos as a hobby, was the best chess player in the Naval Academy and once kept a running total of his mom's grocery store bill, when she won a shopping spree, in his head, including tax.
You guys do not know kind of man you are ing with here...he is a freak.
Like I said...can you walk the length of a basketball court on your hands?
The dude is 7'1 and he could do that.
He also was the fastest guy from baseline to baseline in win sprints.
In the Navy, he graded out as the best gymnast in his class...and he was 6' ing 7.
You think about all those gymnasts, those dude are 5'7 5'5...
David was an insanely gifted athlete, he was insanely gifted if he'd been 6 feet tall...but he was 7'1...and no one in the NBA was a match for him...not even Hakeem.
Duncan better eat his spinach.
Thank you for being 100% unbiased!Hakeem is probably my favorite all time player and imo 2nd best all time, but I feel he rarely gets the recognition and credit he deserves. Hakeem could probably take anyone all time in a 1 on 1 game. I also think that Tim vs David could be a wash, but i'm leaning more towards David. It would be more about individual talents and skills than fundamentals and this is where Robinson has the advantage.
DRob
Age before beauty.
I think... it may not be the game.
I'm drunk and it's taking me forever to type but my drunken memory is doubting itself in its current state.
I don't know who will win.but i vote TD.
PS:1 on 1 is nonsense in basketball game
How about you get back to me when Duncan is 35...
Duncan has been all first team defense every single year in the league.
In fact i believe he and D-Rob are the only two guys in league history to be named All NBA First and All NBA Defensive First teams in their first 7 seasons.... i think Tim held his streak for a bout 10 seasons. Do you honestly think Ron Artest or Marcus Camby impact a game on the defensive end more than Duncan ?
Tim Duncan averaged more blocks and rebounds per minute then Ben Wallace both times Wallace won DPOY in 05 and 06. Tim coud and probably should have multiple DPOY awards.
David Robinson will always be under rated in my opinion... but you cant hide his playoff failures... i dont wanna come on here and bash D-Rob in order to try and prove my point that Tim was greater but ill point out a few facts...
For whottt's assertion that D-Rob was such a greater score than Duncan, there were only two occassions in D-Robs career that he had a clear cut scoring advantage over Tim... 93/94 where he lifted his attempts to nearly 21 a game and the next season where he put up 27.6...
Duncan was a superior rebounder in nearly every season ... especially in traffic and in a crowd.
Having said that i dont think any one doubts that D-Rob put up better numbers than Duncan in the regular season... what sets them apart
D-Robs FG% drops from 52% to 48% in the playoffs
Points Per Game dropped from 21.8 to 18.1
Tim on the other hand
FG % remained exactly the same through
Points Per Game went from 21.7 to 23.8
Wrong.
The main reason Hakeem had alot more success in the playoffs than D-Rob was because he had an assortment of some of the clutchest shooters and playoff performers of all time as teammates.
Wasn't it Cassell who shot the dagger against the Spurs just last week? And wasn't it Horry who almost pulled off the miracle tie? They're so clutch they can still do it at the age of 37. As cliché-esque as that may sound; you don't teach clutch... you either have it or you don't. Olajuwon was blessed to be surrounded by clutch players and won championships because they were on his side.
Olajuwon shouldered his team's scoring load during his playoff series... But he relied heavily on his shooters in the clutch.
Sam Cassell
Robert Horry
Mario Elie &
Kenny Smith
David had no such arsenal. To deny that would be to misrepresent history.
Last edited by Phenomanul; 03-22-2008 at 10:56 PM.
That's a little unfair to David considering his waning years are in that mix... Duncan has yet to play them out.
Wow, why so many votes for Duncan? In a 1 on 1 game, so many of the things that make Duncan great don't matter, like playing help defense, directing the offense from the post, and passing out of double teams. There is absolutely no way Duncan could guard Robinson 1 on 1. Think of how Duncan gets lit up by Amare Stoudamire when he has to guard him 1 on 1. Robinson was just as fast and just as athletic as Amare, maybe moreso, but he was 7'1" on top of it. Robinson was probably a better athlete that Michael Jordan.
Last edited by O.J. Mayonnaise; 03-22-2008 at 11:02 PM.
Tim Duncan has hardly ever taken the toughest defensice asignment in his career...David Robinson hardly ever didn't take it.
On top of that...Drob had a PG that had no outside shot, the guy made 1 playoff 3 pointer in a 19 year career.....I mean, Nazr Mohammed has made 2 3 pointers.
The worst offensive player Duncan started with, Bruce, was a 3 point champiion...
Duncan didn't see more doubles than David...he's had guys like Robert Horry and Mario Elie...the same guys Hakeem had...and Shaq...DRob had freaking Vinny Del Negro and JR Reid.
That's why he has a nice FG%, go look at what David did when he had legitiate NBA caliber starting players on his team...he put up some numbers that put Duincan, Hakeem, Shaq, anyone else to shame just about.
When Duncan is doubled and his guys aren't hitting shots A. He doesn't shoot particularly well and B. He turns it over like a mofo.
And David is also one of only 2 players in NBA history to lead a post season in blocks and boards.
And you know guys...it's easier put up numbers over 20 games than it is over 82.
I'm sorry but Duncan was a not a better man defender...this is an entirely new argument that no one has even attemped before on his behalf....and yes, you are making that argument, because this about 1 on 1...team defense doesn't mean .
David Robinson was never lifted off any player because of an inaiblity to guard them...that's not true of Duncan. Michael Finley drew defensive asignments ahead of Duncan on some players.
Wow, I had forgotten how bad Robinson's supporting casts were. I'm trying to remember who the best teammate David had before Duncan. Was it Elliott?
Fun question! Why all the hostility, I wonder--there are legitimate points on both sides.
When people say DRob was stronger, are they intimating that he could somehow bully Duncan? If so, that seems strange, given Robinson's reputation was not exactly an enforcer, and that Duncan has excelled in the playoffs, when the ability to fight physically is a top attribute. Therefore, I can't consider the strength to be a viable advantage.
The height is also somewhat questionable. As earlier pointed out, Duncan has high shoulders, long arms, and big hands. He also knows how to block out. I doubt Robinson would be reaching over his head to dunk in missed shots. That's an unrealistic expectation in a 1-on-1 game.
I think the main advantage would be the speed aspect. Duncan would not be able to move laterally enough to guard David's jumper at the key. Therefore, on days when that shot was falling, David would easily win.
David's size and quickness would bother Duncan's shot, too.
I say David takes 7/10. Just because he has the edge doesn't mean he'll dominate. And despite his gifts, he didn't seem to have the "flow" or natural instincts for the game, which Timmie has in spades. I know, very scientific...
Terry mings...followed by Dennis Rodman.
Not exactly two guys known for knocking down outside shots(although Rodman did try).
That's it? mings only had what, like 3 good years in San Antonio and those were at the beginning of Robinson's career. Rodman went nuts after like 2 years. Parker and Ginobili are way better than those guys. Both of them can carry an offense for extended periods of time. Did Robinson ever have a guy that could do that?
Duncan is the best PF/C to "play the game" IMO. 1 on 1 Robinson in his prime would get the better of Tim. Too much athleticism from David for Tim to contend with.
That being said, in a "team game", Duncan is as savvy as we have ever seen in the NBA and a master in the paint on both ends of the floor.
Sure...Tim Duncan, after David got injured in 1996-97 and DRob's awesome supporting cast puked up the worst record in team history(and 3rd worst in the NBA that season), for the biggest single season negative turnaround recordwise, in NBA history.
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