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its really weird to find out that dallas is amongst the worst in the league in terms of assists when you consider the personnel they have before the trade. a change in offensive philosophy is in order.
Yea, Maggette of course would be nice. I've been wanting him for several years now, as you know. Any good shooters out there that we could get though? And I'm not talking about someone like Jason Kapono, that can shoot, but doesnt do anything else. Someone who is capable of pitching in a couple ways, and has a reliable 3pt shot.
its really weird to find out that dallas is amongst the worst in the league in terms of assists when you consider the personnel they have before the trade. a change in offensive philosophy is in order.
The timeline to judge this trade isn't a month into it. And because it happened late in the season, it's also not fair to expect a championship in the same season. Not when it's a point guard involved. The right time to assess this trade is at the trade deadline next season. By then, you can call it a failure if the Mavs are trying to move Kidd's contract. Otherwise, you have to reserve all judgment of the trade until this team has milked Kidd for everything he's capable of. As for me, I'm going to watch how they work with Kidd at least through next season before saying whether it was a success or a bust.
I do like the unrealistic, rabid fans of OTHER teams that quickly dismiss it as a bust with fewer than 20 games in. That's like going to a movie and leaving because the opening credits didn't suit you.
Shank?
WTF are you talking about? The trade is for THIS year, because if the trade was made for next year that would be even more stupid.
What position were the Mavs in when they made the trade? What position are they in now?
Wow, talk about moving the goal posts....this was a win now trade, a keep up with the Joneses......nothing more no matter how much you want to spin it.
DD
Horrible expiring contract. They can move him, if need be. Besides, the money doesn't belong to any of us personally, so why fret over it? It's not my money.
Can Rocket Fan please shut the up about things he has no clue about?
The trade was for a 2-year window. People and coaches within the organization will tell you that the goal was to take it as far as they could get this season, but the real focus would be for next year when everyone had more time to play with Kidd. The offseason and next year's camp gives them more time to gel. That's why we're still hearing quotes about "learning to play together". If it were Shaq and you were just going to plug a guy in the paint and let him go to work, then you could say it was for this year. But for a PG, it's not realistic to assume everything is going to automatically click and they'd go all the way in a matter of weeks.
Why would you say it's stupid to think this trade doesn't help them for next season?
True, but is this a case of these guys still needing time together, or Kidd needing to adjust to his coach screaming orders at him all game long?
I think I still believe in Avery, especially since it seems he's backed down on his over-coaching here in the past week (believe it or not), but I'd almost guarantee Kidd would record his next triple-double in a game where Avery was out with the flu.
Then make the trade in the offseason......you can spin it however you like this was done for THIS year to keep up with the Lakers and Suns and their big trades.
Cuban screwed it up....pure and simple......
No amount of spin changes that.
DD
They were already in negotiations to trade for Kidd before the Lakers traded for Gasol & Suns got Shaq you stupid .
Again. No it wasn't.
Why would the Mavs trade for a PG when the Lakers and Suns both traded for bigger guys in Gasol and Shaq? Wouldn't you think they'd trade for more of an inside presence if you think they were truly trying to "keep up" with them? Why would they want to keep up with 2 teams there were already beating regularly?
Kidd brought 2 things the team felt they were lacking and were evident in the last 2 bounces out of the playoffs - leadership on the floor and mental toughness. In the time he's had in Dallas already, it's not fair to assess these qualities after only a handful of games. Again, his skills and traits will be fully used to help this team when they spend more time together, ie - in the offseason and leading into next year. You can see now that guys are just barely starting to figure out how to play with him. Dampier has gotten better. Howard and Stackhouse are starting to get it. We've already seen the fire under Dirk since Kidd came to the team. It's not hard to imagine how much easier things will be after playing and training together longer. How many teams could plug in a brand new PG that's used to playing a different way on a team that's been together for years and expect him to automatically lead them to glory?
There's no spin here. I'm telling you how it is from an actual fan of the team and from someone that knows things going on inside of the organization. The thinking was "if we win it this year, then great. otherwise, the truly attainable and realistic goal would be the following season when they've had more time together".
LOL - well as a fan of the team you seem to be burying your head in the sand.
It is fairly obvious this was a trade for THIS year, and next......but if it was clearly for NEXT year then why not make it in the offseason?
Dallas panicked, Cuban choked when he let Nash go, and should have ridden a team that won 67 games into the ground before blowing it up.
Jason Kidd......I mean come on.....unless he has great shooters at all 4 others spots on the floor, he is easily managed by the other team....don't guard him...let him shoot.
This trade was made for this year, not next, and not the future, for this year.....and next year unless they get a talent infusion they will be even worse...regardless of how much more time they have together.
You know why? Because TIME is what is NOT on Jason Kidd's side.
And the rest of the West is getting better while Dallas is sinking faster than the anic.
And Mono, when you grow up and learn more than 4 letter words or how to actually make a point, you will earn a reply, but until that time, you will just continue to look like a little kid........
DD
Youg guys really should be playing Carl Landry 20 minutes a game. Also, time to get rid of Rafer Alston, he's fools gold. T-Mac should be traded for Vince Carter. And go ahead and get rid of Yao now, he'll never lead your team to a le.
Wow, so that's what it's like to go commenting about another team despite having no clue what the you're talking about.
Now I truly understand you.
LOL - Sure there is no way anyone could know about multiple teams in the NBA, right?
Well not people with your limited mental capacity.
DD
PS. Rafer is fool's gold.....and Tmac has only one hole in his game, unfortunatly it is between his ears.
Real fans are realistic....
You had no clue Dallas was already in talks to trade for Kidd before the Gasol trade went down. You called it a panic move when they were the first ones to look for a trade. You really know a lot.
ing dumb .
Hola Stretch !
DD
Yeah you missed the part where I was the only Mavs fan all year ripping the team here, saying they needed a shakeup before the season even started. I predicted the collapse before the season began. I've said that the Kidd trade isn't working well but I'm also giving it more than one month before calling it a disaster. I've been the most realistic Mavs fan on ST.
head.
Typical, stoop to name calling instead of actually intelligently discussing the topic.
Lame....
DD
I guess I'm waiting for you to make an intelligent comment first. All I've heard is ignorant bull from you so far.
You keep insisting that the Mavs made this trade for this year only, when somebody who knows people INSIDE THE MAVS ORGANIZATION told you flat-out that the organization NEVER made this trade for this year only.
That tells me you're not interested in intelligent discussion, you're interested in being a Rocket Fan troll.
Derek Fisher should be SUSPENDED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Exactly...
That is a general comment about all the flopping in the NBA, I want them to start using technical fouls to clean it up.
It is...unmanly.
DD
Already? 18 games should be enough time to gel. Unfortunately Kidd doesn't have the speed anymore. A thing he was known for in his early days in New Jersey and Phoenix. Diop was playing 15 minutes and being very productive in rebounds and block in the little time he had. He was a defensive beast. Don't underestimate that.
Shhhhhh....you are using logic, don't expect that to sway the "koolaid" fans.
And don't toss out that Josh Howard was initiating a good amount of the offense prior to Kidd coming over, and that is primarily the reason he has struggled.
Playing with the ball in your hands versus playing off the ball is a big adjustment to anyone's game.
But, you can't explain that to people who don't know the game......right Mono?
DD
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