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If Devin Harris was the starting PG for the Knicks, he'd have a dynamite plus/minus!
No - The team is now weaker in crucial areas
Yes - Kidd is what is needed to get them that championship
I can definitively say that this is the single dumbest thing I've ever read on this forum.
If Devin Harris was the starting PG for the Knicks, he'd have a dynamite plus/minus!
And according to 82games.com, Kidd has had a better plus/minus than Harris all season. With the Nets or with the Mavericks.
I honestly don't know how that's possible, maybe I'm reading it wrong. I detest 82games.com's format. They gotta redo that whole site, it's such a pain in the ass to use.
EDIT: NM I read it wrong, Harris does have a slightly better plus/minus, but shockingly enough Kidd still gets rated as the better player on that site. Shocker when plus/minus is all that matters.
plus/minus is only valuable when compared to your teammates. If your team gets waxed by 25 points, and your team is -12 when you're on the floor, then you'll probably having a positive impact on the game. Likewise, if your team wins by 15, but they're -5 when you're on the floor, then you're being a detriment to your team.
You know who has the best plus/minus on the Mavericks this year?
Here's a hint: it ain't Dirk.
nba.com says it is Dirk:
Say what you want but until this team actually does somthing, my ideas are correct. Kidd is not enough for this team.
We should sign Diop in the offseason to a 5 year, $80 million deal, since he's so valuable. I mean, guys like Kidd are a dime a dozen, but there's only one DeSagana Diop.
Yep and 36 year old has beens should also be signed. We should give up on point guards of the future. Heck why not get the best player out of the CBA to backup Dampier.
Kidd > Harris, this year and next.
Nope. The stats say otherwise.
That stats say that both of them put up better numbers in Jersey than Dallas. Harris outscores Kidd, BFD. We didn't get Kidd to score.
Seriously, 30 out of 30 GMs would rather have Kidd than Harris.
Actually, I take that back, 30 out of 30 coaches would rather have Kidd than Harris. A rebuilding team like the Nets would rather have Harris than Kidd.
Well funny thing is he we are the only ones that took the deal. No one except Dallas is stupid enough to overpay like that. We won't get the same deal if we decided to trade Kidd. Only Dallas would pay like that. They screwed themselves.
Harris better than Kidd?? hahahaha
Future hall of famer vs. a STILL unproven 2 guard/point guard wannabe ...
Thats a disrespect to Kidd more than anything. Harris may eventually amount to something at some point of his career. But hes one of those in the mold of tony parker. And if thats what we as fans are expecting out of it, then that truly is a waste of time. parker finds it hard to even hold consistent minutes form game to game.
the mavs got Kidd so that we could win a championship in the next 2-3 years. Whats the point in wasting more years of prime Dirk on a young point guard under the pretense that he has a "tremendous upside" that hasn't quite manifested itself yet?
Dirk even said it himself that he had welcomed the trade and thought it was of great benefit to him and the organization. even his shooting coach lobbied for Kidd as well.
On top of that, stats don't mean everything. Basically its a way for us fans to quantify what we see out of athletes without the benefit of being able to watch team practices. Stats only tell you part of the story. Go back and watch the tapes of dallas/phx and dallas/la and see how kidd affected the game. You see how incredible this team is in transition??!! These are flashbacks to the nash days. This team now goes on those extended runs to push leads and make comebacks. And on top of that Kidd is excellent on defense, very smart handling the ball and making decisions, and makes very timely defensive plays that help this team win. All of this is proven by simply watching the dam games. Sure he can't shoot worth sometimes, but he doesnt need to! We he's set, i've heard it said quite often that he shoots a very solid percentage. What's more is that he can post up and score on the blocks which is something we didn't have in harris. what this team needed was a leader/playmaker; not another athletic talent.
oh btw, go back and look at dallas' shooting percentage since Kidd has been in town ...
and that right there is proof that you are a ing bandwagonner.
no, that is far too logical, and actually makes a lot of sense. we all know that +/- is the only stat that matters.
The question also should have option C, "to early to tell." I know giving up 2 1st rounders was stupid. The players should have been enough. Harris a 5th overall pick who is good and young, plus a couple more utility players. General rule of thumb, the best players on team are ones you draft.
Uh no. I thought we had a championship team before the trade. It was just a hangover from last year. After the trade, I knew we were screwed.
not to stray to far to the topic but it kills me every time you say something about bass...
its essentially his first year to crack a rotation and to get a solid amount of time and yes he has problems on the defensive end of the game and hes undersized playing the 5 position
but his mid range jumper is absolutely solid and his body is extremely well built hes got a lot of upside he just needs more time to become a better defender
you sorted the wrong column, smart guy. you need the per minute stat there, Holmes.nba.com says it is Dirk:
gross +/- doesn't even make sense. It's an even more stupid stat than the per minute +/- already is.
Last edited by monosylab1k; 04-08-2008 at 07:31 PM.
the correct answer is Jamaal Magloire, people.
You were wrong.
No, they're not.
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