Mavs @ Blazers Game Thread

[mavsfan1000]

Just face the fact that we are not getting Devin back, I love Devin but there is nothing we as fans can do.

Yes I know. Maybe we can get Diop back this offseason. God our backups to Dampier are horrible.

[sribb43]

Yes I know. Maybe we can get Diop back this offseason. God our backups to Dampier are horrible.

too bad avery treats Damp as a backup only playing him 21 minutes

the best thing for the mavs is to have allen hurt because avery wont play damp in 4th quarter if allen is healthy

21 minutes for Damp is uncalled for when he has only 3 fouls. freakin Allen had no boards in 6 minutes and with dirk hurting he isnt as good of a rebounder as when healthy....when will the fool Avery learn defensive rebounding and shot blocking is crucial down the stretch of games


I guess avery thinks Damp has no business on the court in the 4th quarter. I mean what can he do? Block or alter shots, rebound, dunk. We don't need any of that, would be my guess, otherwise Avery would have him in the game.

[GuerillaBlack]

I guess you are in for a surprise then. The Lakers are the only team with a realistic chance of competing with us actually. That is assuming Bynum's knee is okay.

Huh?

[balli]

you're insane quoting that crappy lie.

Look man. I'm sorry for the way I came at you. I just thought it would be funnier than it was. For the record I don't think Devin Harris is all that good, or a true pg. I do think he aspires to be a true pg though. At least more than he aspires to be the next Arenas/AI type. Probably the closest comparison would be Tony Parker.

[DaDakota]

I guess you are in for a surprise then. The Lakers are the only team with a realistic chance of competing with us actually. That is assuming Bynum's knee is okay.

What are you talking about? The Rockets dominated the Blazers this year...and some times without our best player Yao Ming.

The Blazers are on the rise, but let's not get ahead of ourselves and start crowning .500 teams as world champs.

Come on now..baby steps.

DD

[tlongII]

I see only Rox fans complained about my last post. I would give them more credit, but only if I see Yao and TMac healthy together.

[mavsfan1000]

YOU! sorry I couldn't help it. I was not comparing Harris' style of play to AI's and Arenas'. Officially they are all PG, but all of them play more like a SG. Harris is not a true PG either.

Kidd is not a true point guard by my definition. A real true point guard can score as well as passing. No weaknesses is the ideal point guard. Nash and Paul are true point guards. Kidd is just a passing point guard. Harris is a scoring point guard that can pass some. I prefer the overall game of Harris over what Kidd has brought so far this year.

[Findog]

Kidd is not a true point guard by my definition.

[mavsfan1000]

Did you read the rest of my post? It was not meant to be taken out of context as a stand alone quote. Shooting (or slashing) is equally important as the passing.

[Findog]

Did you read the rest of my post? It was not meant to be taken out of context as a stand alone quote. Shooting (or slashing) is equally important as the passing.

Jason Kidd isn't a true PG.

[mavsfan1000]

Jason Kidd isn't a true PG.

You're just as bad as mono it1k. Taking my comments out of context. I meant that I felt for Kidd to be the ideal point guard, he needs to be able to be an offensive threat as well. It would open so many more options. Teams will force him to shoot in the playoffs so shooting is really important for a guard.

[Findog]

You're just as bad as mono it1k. Taking my comments out of context. I meant that I felt for Kidd to be the ideal point guard, he needs to be able to be an offensive threat as well. It would open so many more options. Teams will force him to shoot in the playoffs so shooting is really important for a guard.

He's shooting 51% from behind the arc as a Mav and he can get to the rim. A point guard's first job is to run the offense and distribute to his teammates. Few have been better at that than Kidd.

You can be of the opinion that it would've been better for the Mavs to stand pat, but you don't throw Kidd under the bus now that he's part of the Mavs family. You're just as bad as the overzealous homers calling Harris a spare.

[mavsfan1000]

He's shooting 51% from behind the arc and he can get to the rim. A point guard's first job is to run the offense and distribute to his teammates. Few have been better at that than Kidd.

Yes he shoots 36% overall. He gets to the rim and misses the easy ones as well as the midrange shots. He passes up a lot of open shots as well which hurts the team. Other teams could just run him off the 3 point line knowing he isn't a good finisher.

[arcticjoe]

Yes he shoots 36% overall. He gets to the rim and misses the easy ones as well as the midrange shots. He passes up a lot of open shots as well which hurts the team. Other teams could just run him off the 3 point line knowing he isn't a good finisher.

so you're essentially knocking this guy because hes not an offensive threat.

anything else besides he cant shoot?

[mavsfan1000]

You can be of the opinion that it would've been better for the Mavs to stand pat, but you don't throw Kidd under the bus now that he's part of the Mavs family. You're just as bad as the overzealous homers calling Harris a spare.

Yes Kidd is no spare but expectations are high since we traded away so much for him as well as his huge salary. He is not a franchise player.

[Findog]

Yes he shoots 36% overall. He gets to the rim and misses the easy ones as well as the midrange shots. He passes up a lot of open shots as well which hurts the team. Other teams could just run him off the 3 point line knowing he isn't a good finisher.

Well, it's too bad that we rely on Kidd to shoot 20-25 times a game. Here's a hint: We didn't get him to score 30 points a game.

[mavsfan1000]

so you're essentially knocking this guy because hes not an offensive threat.

anything else besides he cant shoot?

Shooting is the most important part of the game. You are a liability if you can't shoot. As a point guard, you gotta pass to as well as run plays like pick and roll and etc well. A lot of these plays rely on players being able to shoot or slash as well as executing the play well. If you wonder why our halfcourt offense is a little weak, look no further than Kidd not being a reliable shooter (unless wide open) or slasher.

[Findog]

Yes Kidd is no spare but expectations are high since we traded away so much for him as well as his huge salary. He is not a franchise player.

We traded away Devin Harris, our backup center and two picks in the late twenties in exchange for him and Antoine Wright. I don't know if you're aware of this either, but we sent back just as much salary as we brought in and Kidd's contract comes off the books after next season. I like Wright.

Kidd is better than Harris. For the next two seasons that's all that matters.

[Findog]

Shooting is the most important part of the game. You are a liability if you can't shoot. As a point guard, you gotta pass to as well as run plays like pick and roll and etc well. A lot of these plays rely on players being able to shoot or slash as well as executing the play well. If you wonder why our halfcourt offense is a little weak, look no further than Kidd not being a reliable shooter (unless wide open) or slasher.

Kidd's never been a great shooter. So what's your point? He hasn't had to rely on it to be a great player.

[mavsfan1000]

Well, it's too bad that we rely on Kidd to shoot 20-25 times a game. Here's a hint: We didn't get him to score 30 points a game.

Kidd will need to be a threat for teams to honor Kidd and not play off him. You don't want Dirk or Josh Howard double teamed by the guy guarding Kidd. Spurs putting Manu on Kidd was brilliant as Manu is a great help defender. See that is where Kidd not being a threat can hurt us.

[arcticjoe]

Shooting is the most important part of the game. You are a liability if you can't shoot. As a point guard, you gotta pass to as well as run plays like pick and roll and etc well. A lot of these plays rely on players being able to shoot or slash as well as executing the play well. If you wonder why our halfcourt offense is a little weak, look no further than Kidd not being a reliable shooter (unless wide open) or slasher.

ok now that you got that out in what areas do you see kidd better then harris

im just trying to get you to lay it down straight im not making any judgments i just want to get the full opinion of someone who disagrees with the trade.

[The Nba Is Rigged]

He's shooting 51% from behind the arc as a Mav and he can get to the rim. A point guard's first job is to run the offense and distribute to his teammates. Few have been better at that than Kidd.

You can be of the opinion that it would've been better for the Mavs to stand pat, but you don't throw Kidd under the bus now that he's part of the Mavs family. You're just as bad as the overzealous homers calling Harris a spare.

Well said

[Findog]

Kidd will need to be a threat for teams to honor Kidd and not play off him. You don't want Dirk or Josh Howard double teamed by the guy guarding Kidd. Spurs putting Manu on Kidd was brilliant as Manu is a great help defender. See that is where not having being a threat can hurt us.

And having Devin Harris shoot from the outside is so much better, then? Devin really gives Ray Allen a run for his money in the sharpshooter long-range gunner department?




What is Devin shooting from 3? 29% in Jersey? Meanwhile Kidd is hitting half of his shots from behind the arc. You've turned Harris into a Hall of Famer and downgraded Kidd into a spare. You're hopeless.

[mavsfan1000]

ok now that you got that out in what areas do you see kidd better then harris

im just trying to get you to lay it down straight im not making any judgments i just want to get the full opinion of someone who disagrees with the trade.

Obviously rebounding and the fastbreak execution. Fastbreaks don't rely on shooting as much since teams don't have time to think over on how to play to your weaknesses. Harris was good as well for the 1 man fastbreak.

[mavsfan1000]

And having Devin Harris shoot from the outside is so much better, then? Devin really gives Ray Allen a run for his money in the sharpshooter long-range gunner department?




What is Devin shooting from 3? 29% in Jersey? Meanwhile Kidd is hitting half of his shots from behind the arc. You've turned Harris into a Hall of Famer and downgraded Kidd into a spare. You're hopeless.

I didn't say any of this. We did downgrade slightly for this year but where it hurt us was longterm. We gave up the point guard of the future. Dirk and Howard hasve 3 or 4 good years left. Kidd has one or 2 good years left. Harris can shoot the 3 quicker and if you run at him he'll go right by you so you have to honor his slashing more. It makes things more complicated for the defense. In close games, Harris is the better option.