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If she loses this primary (which it is almost certain she will) her chances in 2012 may be better tha now.... losing the primary is totally different than losing the general electio..
Manny
How mnay times has a person won the presidency after losing a Presidenial election? That is what I am basing my opinion on... I have stated OVER and OVER that Obama would be better off as the VP candidate this year because if he and Hillary were to lose her presidential apsirations are over...while his career would be just beginning....Nothing personal with Obama it's just that history shows the success of a presidential campaign loser is minimal and I am being generous when I say this.. Obama came on 8 yrs to early.
As far as putting my mo ney where my mouth is I would but you and I would have to wait for at least another 4 yrs to see if I'm right....Just look at Gore...
I tell you what Manny I'll make you a deal. IF Obama wins the general election I will buy you a dinner at a GTG during the 08-09 season... I am from SA and I go into town alot ...Deal?
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If she loses this primary (which it is almost certain she will) her chances in 2012 may be better tha now.... losing the primary is totally different than losing the general electio..
I'll be president in 2012 after McCain screws up royally. Barack is toast in the general election and I'll be there to pick up the pieces.
GGA - I like the bet but i won't be in SA after this summer so I woudln't be able to collect when Barack wins.
I think Obama will win in November barring some huge scandal - McCain isn't polling higher and I do think both Hillary and Obama would crush him. They both have more money, they're better in front of the cameras and they both have bases that are far more motivated than the republicans.
Its so easy to get caught up in the now because of our information rich society, but I promise you by the end of the summer and the convention everyone will have forgotten these primaries and everything happened during them. Our country has a short term memory. Very short term.
We should work out a bet that we can meet over the internet where either I send you something if Barack loses or you send me something if he wins.
The last time it happened? Nixon.
President Reagan only recieved one electorial vote in 1976, and went on to win the presidency in 1980!
Well, that's happened a lot before. Someone introduces themselves to the national crowd in one year, and uses the momentum to win the nomination in the following election cycle.
I'm sad to report that my grandfather, a conservative Republican who lives in North Carolina, will not be able to switch parties in time for the Democratic primary. He is running for county commissioner near Elizabeth City (NE N.C.) and can't switch. However, I am happy to say that his second wife (my grandmother died in 1995) and a couple of my uncles will, indeed, switch parties and vote for Hillary in the primary.
Can't say this will help much, since Obama is expected to take NC. But then again, polls have been wrong before.
And also, is a vote for Hillary a sin? I've wondered this. Since Louisiana's GOP primary happened when the race was still in doubt, I didn't switch parties. But if I had, and voted for Hillary, I'm sure I would have needed a scalding hot shower.
Hillary certainly isn't helping Obama by stretching this out. There's not much of a difference between her and McCain. Once she is out I expect that McCain will pick up some support. Like it or not, race will be a factor in this election.
Iraq won't be what elects Obama. He will have to find another way to take down McCain. Youth and vision may just be it. Unfortunately, old people vote more than the young.
I can't say I'm excited about any of the three choices our limited process has presented us with. But I'd rather listen to Obama for the next four years than the other two.
But why should Hillary quit? She's worked her entire life to become President. It's her birthright. It's what will give her life meaning. And she'll be darned if she lets some smooth-talking upstart steal it from her.
And why quit? She's the one with the momentum, and she's not that far behind in the delegate count. I agree that she still has an uphill battle up until the Convention, but its not like she has no support. She has a lot of support from Democrats who have concerns about Obama (no need to rehash them again).
While Republicans like Quitote, the M$M, and the Clintonistas continue to live in their own world, the super-delegate count gets thinner as 3 more decide to go with Obama..
Obama picks up 3 more Illinois superdelegates: Daley, Currie and Stroger.
Sun TimesWASHINGTON--When the Democratic Party of Illinois meet next week to finish filling out the delegate slate, Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) will pick up three more superdelegates, according to Steve Brown, a spokesman for state party chair Michael Madigan, who is also the speaker of the Illinois House.
That's because the three appointments are all pledged to Obama: Mayor Daley --he shares strategist David Axelrod with Obama and brother Bill, the former Commerce Secetary is on the Obama team; Illinois House Majority Leader Barbara Flynn Currie (D-Chicago), a Hyde Parker who lives near the Obamas'; and Cook County Board President Todd Stroger.
3) More Super Delegate additions added down thread
Hillary isn't going to quit. Maybe, maybe if she lost both IN and NC tomorrow but that isn't going to happen unless the people of IN wise up and having lived in OH for 35 yrs I know those Hoosiers are home-town men and women who will vote for Hillary.
Dan, who really cares who wins the dimm-o-crap primaries? Just so long as they fight each other to the
bitter end of the convention. That's the plan. Keep it
going....and going....and going....like the rabbit.
Shut up you old coot! The first rule of Operation Chaos is, you don't talk about Operation Chaos.
You misunderstood my post. That's okay, not a first.
If you would re-read what I wrote, you will see clearly that I would still put Obama in the driver's seat to nab the nomination. The numbers are currently in his favor. But it's not over.
What the D-race has revealed (conservatives knew it all along) is that there is a deep divide in the D-electorate. In other words, Obama voters are fundamentally different from Hillary voters. And if the DNC thinks that these differences will just go away by fiat, or by naming a nominee at the convention, they are being foolish.
Clinton Camp Says It Will Use The Nuclear Option
In a statement issued in response to a story on The Huffington Post ("Clinton Camp Considering Nuclear Option," see below), the campaign declared:"There is no secret plan.... The Clinton campaign has been vocal in stating that the votes of 2.5 million people must be respected. Hardly a day goes by when a Clinton official doesn't publicly declare that the votes of Michigan and Florida count and that the delegations from those states should be seated."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0..._n_100051.html
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... is why Hillary and Bill are going to have convention floor fight.
Candidates coming out of convention fights have NEVER won the Presidency.
Delegate update: Four more for Obama
Posted: Monday, May 05, 2008 3:19 PM by Domenico Montanaro
Filed Under: 2008, Obama, Delegates
From NBC's Domenico Montanaro
bama has picked up four more superdelegates today; Clinton has picked up none.
Three Maryland delegates were scheduled to hold a 2:30 p.m. ET press conference in College Park, Md., to announce their endorsements of Obama: former Gov. Parris Glendening, Democratic Party Chairman Michael Cryor and Vice chairwoman Lauren Dugas Glover. (Note: We already had Cryor on our list and added in Glendening over the weekend when he was named an add-on. Glover is new in our count, so she is added in.)
Obama officially picks up the three Illinois add-ons: Chicago Mayor Richard Daley, Illinois House Maj. Leader Barbara Flynn Currie and Cook County Board President Todd Stroger. (They were announced Thursday, but were not added into our count until today when they were made official at a state party meeting.)
The Delegate Counts:
SUPERDELEGATES: Clinton 273-258
PLEDGED: Obama 1,492-1,338
OVERALL: Obama 1,750-1,611
- There are 264 undeclared superdelegates.
- Since the Pennsylvania primary: It's Obama +21, Clinton +11.
- Since Super Tuesday, Feb. 5: It's Obama +88, Clinton +13.
- Since Junior Super Tuesday, March 4: It's Obama +45, Clinton +20
. . . and this is why Dems are idiots.
Do you finally get it Manny? 'Cause even boutons gets it . . .
Conflict is not a bad thing -- this is what they taught me at the big school place.
No ... a fight is good for everyone involved. Both sides have serious grievances that need to be worked out. I pray for the good people of America that neither Hillary's people, nor the Obamaniacs, back down. And it'll make for great television.
LOL....
I'm hoping it has another effect myself. I think we all agree that McCain would not be the republican nominee if you could only vote your party affiliation. My hope is that there will be changes in the state laws to only vote party affiliation. Then we would have a conservative running in the general election, either Huckabee or Romney. Then I would have a clear choice for voting.
I'm hoping there is a good libertarian candidate, because I cannot bring myself to vote for McCain, Obama, or Clinton.
No !
That surprised me... Another rare point in time I agree with Bouton's
Its you who doesn't get it. She can say she's going to go to the convention for a fight but if everyone ignores her who ing cares? Clinton =/ democrats.
This s over. It has been over. Obama's pledged delegate lead grows tomorrow. His super delegate margin is being closed rapidly and he'll have a lead before the end of the month more likely than not.
Then what? Clinton can and moan all she wants but the Super Delegates aren't responding. You can't just walking into the convention and say "I want a floor fight" and make it so. You think Dean and Pelosi are going to sit back and allow that to happen? Yeah Smeagol, if that happens then I'll agree with you that they're being stupid but everything they have done so far has been by the book and has been done in order for them retain an even ground to stand on; they can not look like they are bullying Clinton out of the race. So the race will go on for a month now but at the end Clinton will be behind in Pledged Delegates, the popular vote, and more than likely Super Delegates as well. Then what does she do?
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