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if he is pop's second option he must be the better player atleast according to pop
tp has been benched in 4 quarter when he had 25-29 points because spurs were killing the other team
he could have went for 40 -47 that game
pop was saving him for the playoffs
there have been several 4 quarters that tp has not had to play because spurs were ahead by several points
and NOT BECAUSE OF BAD PLAY ON TP's fault
I would stick to your facts
if he is pop's second option he must be the better player atleast according to pop
duncan has not been able to produce as much in 4 because of flu symtons
manu is the one that said tp was sick not tp
having the flu makes you more tired
when your leg hurts you still have energy to run up and down the court
having the flu is worse for performance issues then having a hurt leg as long as you are in the game playing
HOW ON EARTH DOES THAT CONS UTE AS FACTS!!????? you name no dates, no opponents, and most importantly still choose to ASSUME ('cause that is all you're doing) that TP WOULD HAVE scored 47 (which is still 1 short of Manu's score) Now, I'm not saying that TP can't score as much, I'm just saying that there isn't much evidence for that assumption. So if I were you, I wounldn't be so dismissive of Manu's performance Friday night seeing as though the only Spur guard to score more has his jersey hanging in the rafters at the SBC Center: George Gervin.
Yeah Ducks, your assumption is pretty bs.
It could have happened, but Manu was just in on fire, no one was able to stop him.
He was 16-22 , 11-12 FT's.
The A-S game isn't about stats, it's about who's the fans/coaches/league observers want to see.
Right now Manu doesn't have a claim to play based on the former, but he's probably in the top 5 of the latter, if you take everyone into account.
Whott's already touched on it, and I think a lot of league observers have commented as much: Manu is one of those guys who would be a of a lot of fun to watch in a playground ball game (which is what the A-S game is).
I don't have my hopes up on him making it, but God I hope he does. I bet he's got some crazy ass in his back pocket that he knows Pop would bench him for, but that in the A-S game would be a spectacle in and of itself.
Manu for All-Star.
I understand that flu symptoms does affect the performance of a player, but you can't possibly argue that Tony's performance was entirely the cause of flu symptoms. I mean look a these stats!!
FGM-A = 1-9
3GM-A = 0-2
Rebounds = 1
and I'm not going to even argue with you about that last statement, if you honestly believe that flu symptoms are worse for performance than a leg injury, good ridance!
Just to be fair to TP he did have 5 assist a 2 steals, so it wasn't a complete f_ck-up. Having said that, and all of the above, I wan't you to know, I AM in fact a TP fan. I'm no trying to discredit him, just think we should take more into consideration that Manu is on fire right now.
man you forgot to mention his 5 assist
how convient of you
I see you just added his assist sorry
Read again duck!
I SAID YOU JUST ADDED THAT AFTER was typing my responce
tp carried the spurs the last 10 games
and now manu has one of a outing and he know is much more consitent then tp
give me a break
I'm sorry, but I thought we were talking about the whole season, not just the last 10 games. My mistake, lol. Because if we were talking about the whole season, which ofcourse we're not, you'd have to include the first 10 games, and that wouldn't leave much of an argument for ya would it now?
tp was trying to hard to earn his contract
once he relaxed he was fine
pop got that fixed
Manumania, Although Ducks rarely uses grammar understandable to his readers he has been around for a lot longer than you and he has made so points you seem to ignore.
If you want to say that Manu> Parker you had better have more to justify it then that he scored 48 points. If you really consider it, if parker's career high was 35 pts but he added 10 + assists on the night Manu had his (which I know he didn't) then isn't Parker as good if not better. Shooting guards score, PG's set it up, Tony has progressed a great deal as a playmaker, and he can penetrate like no other guard i know.
First of all, if you had read a little further up you would know I never said Manu is better than TP, I merely object to Duck's dismissive at ude towards Manu's big night. I don't think it was a small thing, just like I wouldnt presume to argue that Manu is better than Parker for it. Plus I happen to believe that consistency incorporates many more things than just points, like attempts made vs not made, points per minutes played, assists, steals, etc. Now I think that Manu really IS more consitant when taking into account all those aspects. Either way, you both have a right to disagree.
PS. I really don't think that him being part of this forum for a longer period of time has any effect on his ability to argue a point, or my ability to argue back, I really don't see where you're coming from RobinsontoDuncan. Having said that, know that when I respond I never mean to come off upset of angry, and always do so in a respectfull manner.
If it wasn't for Tony consistantly scoring 20 and dishing out 7 a night, we would have been sunk this month due to poor preformances from Duncan, as Parker goes this team goes and at 32-9 i would say he has been pretty consistant.
Like I said, I'm not talking about the past 10 games, and I'm not saying he is not important. I'm talking about the season so far. I already posted that I believe them both to be of equal value for the team, I'm just saying Ginobili has been more consistant in terms of shots made vs attempted, and good performances overall, emphasis on OVERALL. Now, if anyone feels otherwise I welcome any rebutals that have facts to back them up, 'cause I've made the math, and my results show Ginobili has been more consistant this season.
You have, well explain how well Ginobilli did at the beginning of the season, his sudden and pronounced drop off, and his sudden re-emegence.
To be fair, let's look at what the flu can really do. If you don't think that sickness can make a player sluggish and influence his play, you haven't been paying attention recently.
Look at Duncan. He was sick and didn't recover for a while. Not so coincidentally, he had one of the worst stretches of his career while he was sick. If Parker continues to play poorly against the Suns or other top teams, then there is cause for concern. But Manu has had some pretty terrible games this season, too, and everyone deserves a mulligan once in a while if they are sick.
And if you're still thinking that Manu is better just because he scored 48 points in one game, I suggest you watch more basketball. While it's arguable that Manu is the better player, his ability to score 48 in one game doesn't really tell us much. Jamal Crawford can score 50 in a game, but that doesn't make him Jordan.
Don't forget, Spurs management considered Parker to be the better player last summer. If they hadn't, they wouldn't have chalked up more money for him. It's true that a good point guard is in more demand than a good swing player, but the Spurs were willing to spend more money for Parker.
It's possible that Manu has played better than his contract so far, but I'll argue that he's simply gotten an opportunity to do more. He's a good player with the capacity to be brilliant at times, but he isn't able to perform at a franchise-level player every night. Parker isn't either, for that matter. Let's not overrate either.
Both are valuable to the team in many ways and both will need to play well in the playoffs if the Spurs are to win another championship. The Spurs are in good shape when fans are arguing about Manu and Parker making the all-star team. Things are good. Both players need to be more consistent before I'll consider them to be all-stars. Both have the talent, but they still need to mature a little bit.
The best is still ahead of us.
I don't think Tony will have a good game tonight. The flu has been hanging on to the Spurs players for a while, and if he just got it recently then he's not going to be over it this quickly. Duncan and Devin reportedly had it for 2-3 weeks. But the Parker bashers will continue to bash him if he doesn't play well, even if he's out there with a 102 fever.
Amen, and considering we still haven't brought over Luis Scola, we dont know what could possibly be instore for us, perhaps another draft day steal.
Did you guys buy Bill Walton's assesment that Manu was the biggest draft day steal ever?
What's there to explain?? He started HOT, cooled down to about 13 points per game (except maybe during those big games where he outscored everyone on the team) and then he increased his point average to what it is now. I wouldn't start a discussion on PPG if I were you, Parker is averaging 3.7 more minutes on the floor than Manu this season, and still has a lower PPG average than Ginobili (granted its a small diference, but still lower). Either way, I specifically mentioned that in my point of view, consistance involves other aspects other than points, and like I said, if you don't have facts don't bother arguing. The ball is on your court.
MJ played pretty well a few times when he was sick, maybe parker will also
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