So, with Obama the apparent...

[ChumpDumper]

Which Al Qaeda are you asking about?

[Yonivore]

It's not different concerning Hamas. It's not my problem you idiots can't tell the difference between states and groups just like Don Quixote couldn't tell the difference between Hezbollah and Hamas and McCain can't tell the difference between Shia and Sunni and Yoni can't tell the difference between himself and powerlineblog. Quit whining upset when your ignorance is exposed.

Except you were using the Hamas example to legitimize his claim that he'll talk to our enemies and that it'll be different than what the current administration or Republicans would do.

, under those conditions, I'd talk to Hamas as well. And, if he places similar preconditions on Iran, North Korea, etc... He's not one iota different than any Head of State would be. Yeah, we'll talk to them when they stop the crazy .

By the way, Hamas is a state. They are the elected representatives of the Palestinian Authority. PA = Hamas and vice versa.

[Don Quixote]

They keep quoting the trolls! Oh well ...

You right. Me another stupid Republican. Me can't tell difference between Hezbollah in Lebanon, who is backed by Iran, and Hamas in Gaza and the West Bank.

They both want kill Israel and Americans.

You smart me stupid.

[ChumpDumper]

Except you were using the Hamas example to legitimize his claim that he'll talk to our enemies and that it'll be different than what the current administration or Republicans would do.

Except I'm not.

By the way, Hamas is a state. They are the elected representatives of the Palestinian Authority. PA = Hamas and vice versa.

Except it's not.

[Yonivore]

Except I'm not.Except it's not.

Then what was the point of your statement about Obama and Hamas? Because the point of this thread was to discuss his seeming willingness to have unconditional talks with our enemies.

[ChumpDumper]

Then what was the point of your statement about Obama and Hamas? Because the point of this thread was to discuss his seeming willingness to have unconditional talks with our enemies.

You just pointed out there are conditions, so why do you perpetuate this lie?

And my whole point when I first started posting in this thread is that talking to enemies is nothing new, even for the current administration.

[Yonivore]

Because idiots like you are lying about his stated position on Hamas. Even if Hamas was in control of all of the Palestinian lands, Obama would not talk to them unless they met the conditions that have been on record for years but you have either ignored or flat out lied about.

Are you lying or just ignorant?

I've never said anything about his position on Hamas. I merely quoted him in a speech and discussed how if he didn't elaborate more on what he meant about talking with our enemies, one could infer he was willing to do so without condition.

If as you say, he made conditions on talking with Hamas, he's no different than the current administration or Republicans. If that's how he'd approach all of our enemies, again, he's no different than the current administration or Republicans.

Where's the difference? Where's the change we can believe in?

[ChumpDumper]

I've never said anything about his position on Hamas. I merely quoted him in a speech and discussed how if he didn't elaborate more on what he meant about talking with our enemies, one could infer he was willing to do so without condition.

If as you say, he made conditions on talking with Hamas, he's no different than the current administration or Republicans. If that's how he'd approach all of our enemies, again, he's no different than the current administration or Republicans.

Where's the difference? Where's the change we can believe in?

Again, I don't see too much difference. The Bush administration has talked to and negotiated with enemies and you still want him on Mount Rushmore.

Why is this an issue?

[Yonivore]

You just pointed out there are conditions, so why do you perpetuate this lie?

And my whole point when I first started posting in this thread is that talking to enemies is nothing new, even for the current administration.

No, you did. I hadn't heard what you claim he said about his conditions on talking with Hamas.

And, the part about talking to enemies is nothing new, I believe Obama is talking about personally sitting down with these nutjobs, a la' Jimmy Carter. The current President hasn't shut the door on any our enemies but, he's not going to throw the prestige of his office at a farce...like Jimmy Carter.

But, regardless, if that is his position on Hamas (or any other enemy, for that matter), he's no different that Bush, McCain, or any other Republican.

He talks like his foreign policy in this regard is different somehow. Care to explain how that might be? How's it going to be different?

[Yonivore]

And, you're a comlete fool if you think the current administration isn't in communication with Iran, North Korea, Syria, Venezuela, China, etc...in some manner.

Obama seems to be implying he'd do something different than what is already being done. I'd like to know what that is. He's not saying. Are you willing to speculate?

[Wild Cobra]

people who refer to conservatives as neocons are gots. stfu.

- Mars

I wouldn't say they are gots. I just laugh at their ignorance and stupidity whan they talk out they ass like that.

Wait... open ass... got... maybe it applies afterall?

[Wild Cobra]

They keep quoting the trolls! Oh well ...

You right. Me another stupid Republican. Me can't tell difference between Hezbollah in Lebanon, who is backed by Iran, and Hamas in Gaza and the West Bank.

They both want kill Israel and Americans.

You smart me stupid.

I'm guilty of confusing them myself at times. To me, they are one in the same. Terrorists.

[ChumpDumper]

And, you're a comlete fool if you think the current administration isn't in communication with Iran, North Korea, Syria, Venezuela, China, etc...in some manner.

Are you saying you want to be in communication with these states or not?

Obama seems to be implying he'd do something different than what is already being done. I'd like to know what that is. He's not saying. Are you willing to speculate?

I don't think it's going to end up being different, which is what I have been saying all along. It's yet another non-issue.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm guilty of confusing them myself at times. To me, they are one in the same. Terrorists.

Like the Sunni insurgents in Iraq we have negotiated with and are currently paying off.

[Yonivore]

Are you saying you want to be in communication with these states or not?

Yes, to the extent that we continue to press them quit being jackasses, I think our government should maintain a line of communication with our enemies up to the point open hostilities are started. After that, I only want to listen to their unconditional surrender.

I don't think that communication should have to involve the President. And, I don't think this is the type of communication of which Obama speaks. But, he won't clarify so, we don't know, do we?

I don't think it's going to end up being different, which is what I have been saying all along. It's yet another non-issue.

So, just what are the issues that make Obama an attractive choice?

[ChumpDumper]

Yes, to the extent that we continue to press them quit being jackasses, I think our government should maintain a line of communication with our enemies up to the point open hostilities are started. After that, I only want to listen to their unconditional surrender.

I don't think that communication should have to involve the President. And, I don't think this is the type of communication of which Obama speaks. But, he won't clarify so, we don't know, do we?

So that's the only thing you are worried about? A summit level meeting with Ahmadinejad? it's not going to happen, so you can stop worrying.

Even though he'll hold hands with our close allies...

So, just what are the issues that make Obama an attractive choice?

The best thing he's got going for him is he's not a Republican. Honestly. I wouldn't consider Obama a strong candidate by any stretch.

[Don Quixote]

To put it very concisely, it is my conviction that Obama, in his zeal for peace and cooperation with everyone (no matter how bad), is much more likely to put lives overseas in danger, and get us all killed too, than are his rivals. Sorry. It's much more likely that these thug-ocracies take advantage of St. Barack, than they are to stop their jihad against the West.

[ChumpDumper]

To put it very concisely, it is my conviction you are full of .

[Don Quixote]

Yes, to the extent that we continue to press them to quit being jackasses, I think our government should maintain a line of communication with our enemies up to the point open hostilities are started. After that, I only want to listen to their unconditional surrender.

I don't think that communication should have to involve the President. And, I don't think this is the type of communication of which Obama speaks. But, he won't clarify so, we don't know, do we?


So, just what are the issues that make Obama an attractive choice?

Well ... he's for change. And the future. And a new age of peace.

[boutons_]

Obama - Hamas

Same swiftboat lying distraction like
Obama - Wright,
Obama - is Muslim


yawn


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[ChumpDumper]

Well ... he's for change. And the future. And a new age of peace.

So he should be for staying the same, and the past and an age of war?

Everything's perfect right now?

[Yonivore]

So he should be for staying the same, and the past and an age of war?

Everything's perfect right now?

It could be much worse...and, from what I've heard from Obama, he'd like to run this country into a ditch...and take us all along for the ride.

[ChumpDumper]

It could be much worse...and, from what I've heard from Obama, he'd like to run this country into a ditch...and take us all along for the ride.

All you've been saying is you don't know what he wants to do.

And that he smokes.

And that he's a secret Muslim who takes orders from a black Christian preacher.

[Yonivore]

All you've been saying is you don't know what he wants to do.

And that he smokes.

And that he's a secret Muslim who takes orders from a black Christian preacher.

No, that's not all I've been saying...that's just all you've been hearing.

[ChumpDumper]

No, that's not all I've been saying...that's just all you've been hearing.

All the rest is stuff you've stolen.