Hey, Black Menthol Smokers, the Senate wants you dead

[peewee's lovechild]

As a Mexican-American, I want legislation to ban jalapeno flavored cigarettes. I would also like the ban to extend to the chipotle flavored cigarettes.

[Spurminator]

Kids don't start smoking because they like the friggin taste. Damn people are stupid.

[boutons_]

Menthol makes the initial repulsion less repulsive, easing the way for more puffing, more nicotine intake, until addiction.

The cigarette mfrs wouldn't be fighting so hard to keep menthol unregulated if it didn't work.

Damn people are stupid.

[peewee's lovechild]

Menthol makes the initial repulsion less repulsive, easing the way for more puffing, more nicotine intake, until addiction.

The cigarette mfrs wouldn't be fighting so hard to keep menthol unregulated if it didn't work.

Damn people are stupid.

Are you kidding me?

I've been smoking since I was about 15 years old and I still can't stand Menthols.

I can't hold it in as long with Menthols as I can with regular ciggs.

However, I can smoke clove flavored ones like "Black" like there's no tomorrow.

[boutons_]

Here's how teen nicotine addiction happens, as the cig mfrs know so well. They are doing it all over the world as smoking in USA and Western Europe decreases:

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releas...-tss071608.php

"I still can't stand Menthols."

Therefore, the whole menthol tactic is bull . glad we got that cleared up.

[peewee's lovechild]

Therefore, the whole menthol tactic is bull . glad we got that cleared up.

No, it means you're generalizing.
And, arguments hold so much water when doing that.

Glad we got that cleared up.

[boutons_]

where am I generalizing?

Menthol works, that's why the cig mfr use it and want to keep using it, no matter what your idiosyncratic view is.

[peewee's lovechild]

All young blacks smoke menthols.

All young whites smoke clove and cinnamon cigs.

The Senate wants black people dead.

That close enough?

Because, if you weren't trying for a racist angle, why le your thread "Hey, Black Menthold Smokers, the Senate wants you dead"?

[peewee's lovechild]

"making this a race issue"

the cig mfrs know EXACTLY their victims, which race smokes the most methol cigs, and is buying Congress to keep that race smoking menthol cigs.

There's currently only one black Senator.

Exempting menthol cigs now probably means exempting menthol cigs for many years, because cig mfrs get pretty much what they want in all 3 Fed branches.

[Kaotik]

Great idea! With some of the effects of mj use being; distorted perception, loss of coordination, trouble with thinking, anxiety, and fear, I'd just love to be on the road, or at work with a bunch of people high on mj.

There are already plenty of people using it a work and while driving, no need to have those numbers skyrocket, which is what would happen if it were legalized (if you disagree with this, prove it to be wrong).



Let's look at the health risks of marijuana use:

The short-term effects of marijuana include:

1. Distorted perception (sights, sounds, time, touch)
2. Problems with memory and learning
3. Loss of coordination
4. Trouble with thinking and problem-solving
5. Increased heart rate, reduced blood pressure
6. Sometimes marijuana use can also produce anxiety, fear, distrust, or panic.




Effects on the Brain

The active ingredient in marijuana, delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol or THC, acts on cannabinoid receptors on nerve cells and influences the activity of those cells. Some brain areas have many cannabinoid receptors, but other areas of the brain have few or none at all. Many cannabinoid receptors are found in the parts of the brain that influence pleasure, memory, thought, concentration, sensory and time perception, and coordinated movement.
When high doses of marijuana are used, usually when eaten in food rather than smoked, users can experience the following symptoms:

1. Hallucinations
2. Delusions
3. Impaired memory
4. Disorientation




Effects on the Heart

-Within a few minutes after smoking marijuana, the heart begins beating more rapidly and the blood pressure drops. Marijuana can cause the heart beat to increase by 20 to 50 beats per minute, and can increase even more if other drugs are used at the same time.
-Because of the lower blood pressure and higher heart rate, researchers found that users' risk for a heart attack is four times higher within the first hour after smoking marijuana.




Effects on the Lungs

Smoking marijuana, even infrequently, can cause burning and stinging of the mouth and throat, and cause heavy coughing. Scientists have found that regular marijuana smokers can experience the same respiratory problems as tobacco smokers do, including:

Daily cough and phlegm production
More frequent acute chest illnesses
Increased risk of lung infections
Obstructed airways
Marijuana contains more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than tobacco smoke and because marijuana smokers usually inhale deeper and hold the smoke in their lungs longer than tobacco smokers, their lungs are exposed to those carcinogenic properties longer.
One study found that marijuana smokers were three times more likely to develop cancer of the head or neck than non-smokers. Many researchers believe than smoking marijuana is overall more harmful to the lungs than smoking tobacco.




Other Health Effects

Research indicates that THC impairs the body's immune system from fighting disease, which can cause a wide variety of health problems. One study found that marijuana actually inhibited the disease-preventing actions of key immune cells. Another study found that THC increased the risk of developing bacterial infections and tumors.




Effects of Exposure During Pregnancy

Several studies have found that children born to mothers who used marijuana during pregnancy exhibit some problems with neurological development. According to those studies, prenatal marijuana exposure can cause:

1. Altered responses to visual stimuli
2. Increased tremulousness
3. Problems with sustained attention and memory
4. Poor problem-solving skills

http://alcoholism.about.com/od/pot/a/effects.htm

And there still has NEVER been a death solely related to the smoking of marijuana. Notice how the symptoms listed under "short-term effects" and "effects of exposure during pregnancy" are practically the same only re-worded slightly.

"One study found that marijuana actually inhibited the disease-preventing actions of key immune cells. Another study found that THC increased the risk of developing bacterial infections and tumors." Really? Haven't seen any cases proving this yet.

"One study found that marijuana smokers were three times more likely to develop cancer of the head or neck than non-smokers. Many researchers believe than smoking marijuana is overall more harmful to the lungs than smoking tobacco." HAHA show me one case that proves this. Too bad there aren't any cigarette additives like Arsenic, Ammonia, Benzene, and Cadmium added to marijuana. Possibly then this "study" could be somewhat accurate.

I read most of the sources that were involved in the creation of this article. Not nearly enough studies to remotely prove that marijuana could possibly be more harmful than cigarettes. Overall a horrible argument that marijuana shouldn't be legalized.

[boutons_]

"All young blacks smoke menthols.'

who said that?

"All young whites smoke clove and cinnamon cigs."

who said that?

"The Senate wants black people dead."

obviously, they want the $$$ from the cig mfgs more than they want to regulate menthol additive and perhaps reduce black smokers. There was no mention of non-black menthol smokers. What's the reason?

"That close enough?"

of course not, pure invented strawman bull .

"Because, if you weren't trying for a racist angle, why le your thread "Hey, Black Menthold Smokers, the Senate wants you dead" "

That's a legit topic, as menthol-smoking young blacks was what the article was about.

If menthol cigs have similary impact on non-blacks, why aren't non-blacks, or even blacks at all, mentioned. There appears to be social factor in why young blacks start/prefer menthol cigs. The cig mfrs know exactly who their victims are.

[boutons_]

Apparently BigPharma is aggressively preparing their own "medical marijuana" cannabinoid products, knowing that the CA experience wil not be shut down by duyba's DoJ and the positive results will be desired in other states.

[DarrinS]

You never see black dudes smoking Kools or Newports.

[boutons_deux]

Big Tobacco’s big race play: Philip Morris, the NAACP and the future of menthol cigarettes


The FDA is slow to ban the flavored smokes, despite their myriad health risks, and black groups refuse to speak up

Lorillard Tobacco donated nearly four times as much to Republican candidates as to Democrats in the 2014 congressional elections. No surprise there — most businesses count on Republicans to hold the line on regulations and taxes.

But Lorillard made a striking exception for one set of Democrats: African Americans. It gave campaign cash to half of all black members of Congress, as opposed to just one in 38 non-black Democrats, according to an analysis by FairWarning of records from the Center for Responsive Politics.

To put it another way, black lawmakers, all but one of whom are Democrats, were 19 times as likely as their Democratic peers to get a donation.

It’s not hard to see why. The election campaign overlapped a debate crucial to Lorillard: Whether to add menthol, the minty, throat-numbing additive, to a list of flavorings banned from use in cigarettes in 2009 on public health grounds. Lorillard’s Newport cigarettes have been the top-selling menthol brand, accounting for billions of dollars in annual sales. And who most favors menthols? Black smokers, by a wide margin.

For decades, the tobacco industry has maintained what amounts to an informal mutual aid pact with some black organizations.

Over the years, cigarette makers have donated generously to

members of the Congressional Black Caucus, and

to its affiliate, the Congressional Black Caucus Foundation;

to major groups like the National Urban League,

the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People and

the United Negro College Fund; and

to a host of smaller African American organizations.

In return, some of the groups have helped the industry fight anti-smoking measures. Other times, critics say, they have simply turned a blind eye to the harmful impact of tobacco on the black community.

Menthol cigarettes, once a niche product, now account for about 30 percent of U.S. cigarette sales. But a study cited by the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found that menthols were the choice of 88 percent of black smokers and 57 percent of smokers under 18.

Reynolds American Inc., which includes R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Co., completed a merger with Lorillard, paying more than $27 billion for a company that depended on menthols for about 85 percent of sales.

African American politicians and organizations have been largely silent.

http://www.salon.com/2015/11/26/big_...ettes_partner/

BigTobacco makes public health policy to maintain their murderous profits, keep giving blacks fatal lung cancer, and pay black s to STFU. and of course BigTobacco OWNS the FDA.

[ElNono]

^ stop bumping threads that have nothing to do with your bull ... GTFO

[ElNono]

Cosmoron has a whole series of evasion tactics :-

1. For images or video: "Nothing that's fakable can be used as proof as it might be fake."

He will never apply this moronic circular logic to his own images and videos. He will never actually prove it is faked or offer the number of people involved in such.

2. For websites: "It's possible that your sites are genuine and it's possible that some public-relations agency created them to help fool the public. Something that may or may not be bogus can't be used as proof."

Or

"That's a disinfo site."

He will never apply this moronic circular logic to his own appallingly inept websites. He will never address any website that solidly refutes his claims. He never offers any proof that any website is "disinfo" or "public-relations".

3. For Expert Testimony: "Only a person with a high background in photography would be able to deal with it "

For "photography" insert anything. He is a layman on everything associated with space travel so uses this evasion tactic frequently. Basically if he doesn't understand it, it is ignored and of course the person providing the information must automatically be in on the moronic hoax.

4. For Rebuttal: "...so we already know what you posted is sophistry. "

Or

"I can't say I'm one hundred percent sure he's a paid disinfo agent but his behavior fits the profile perfectly."

This enables him to completely ignore any response, which he routinely does anyway, but throws this in for effect. Needless to say, he will never offer anything to backup his ad hominem statement.

5. Miscellaneous: ".anyone who sees it will see that he's just a paid sophist."

This is probably the worst one of all. For this enormous diversionary statement, he gets to ignore every single thing written by an expert in almost every aspect of the Apollo Missions. He gets to ignore a concise website detailing debunks for almost all his total crap. He gets to ignore every post made where he always get his ass handed to him. The basis for this is his "credibility test".

6. Credibility Test: "This calls for a credibility test. XXXXXXX maintains that the Chinese spacewalk was real and not faked in a water tank. Do you agree with him?

This is where the spammer uses one of his pre-determined idiotic conspiracies or erroneous claims as the yardstick for a credibility test. He is the arbitrator of its provenance therefore anyone who disagrees with it can now be referred to as "discredited" and all their rebuttal can be ignored.

7. When all else fails: "I think the rest are moot now that you`ve been discredited and there are a lot of clear anomalies that prove the footage ...."

So when he routinely gets his claim debunked, it is "moot" because of "all the others". It never occurs to him that all the other evidence has been debunked and was also "moot" when it was addressed. When pushed to provide a list of items to address, at all costs he will not do this because it can be seen where they have all been debunked.

8. Just deny everything: "I've never seen it debunked. I've seen people try to obfuscate it and then consider it to have been debunked." or "I can't see what you're referring to."

He's never seen ANYTHING debunked? An utterly ludicrous statement that he uses based on his own inept layman understanding. His ignorance apart, he seeks to pigeon hole every single debunk into responses that he says are diversion, because he says so. Or, he simply denies seeing something that is completely irrefutably obvious.

9. Idiotic Closes: "You'd get laughed out of the debating hall ..."

or

"you're about as impressive as the Black Knight in this video"

The sheer irony of this is always lost on him. If ever there was somebody who behaved like the Black Knight - as his arm gets chopped off it's a "moot point" it would be this serial forum spammer. There is not a debating environment on this planet where this person would show up to. He knows more than anyone that he would get the floor wiped with his drivel.

10. Divert/Obfuscate/Re-spam: This is where he avoids the item completely and gish-gallops away with repeated spam. Almost certainly he will keep avoiding the original claim.

11. Never mind that - look over here: When this hopeless individual has exhausted his inept repertoire of responses comes his most used spam. He resorts to spamming his wall of crap and ignoring the main issue!
"Anyway, there's a ton of proof that the missions were faked and zero proof that they were real."


What a sad, sad liar this person is. They have been humiliated completely on dozens of subjects, thousands of times on Apollo, yet they spew this cut and paste hogwash almost every time.


12. Credibility Referbacks: When this hopeless individual has no answers he often resorts to just one liners concerning previous bull "Credibility Tests".

"You've already said some pretty lame things so your judgement is obviously flawed."

"....said the Man who tried to obfuscate the clear evidence of the Chinese Spacewalk"


13. Moronic Translations: This is the ridiculous post where he interprets his crazy viewpoint on something regardless of how many times it has already been addressed. It usually has some bearing on his equally moronic "Credibility Tests".

"Translation: The proof that the Chinese spacewalk is so clear that I'll just look silly if I try to obfuscate it so I'd better avoid addressing it."



This person has been doing all of the above across 100's of forums for (best guess) coming up to 17 years. He cuts and pastes duplicate posts, responses, key phrases and dismissal videos. He determines any one or more of the above and posts them out, then slams a huge post with repeated and debunked bull . There is simply no level of response that can get through to somebody who has terminal Dunning and Kruger syndrome.

that's what I heard moron... go astroturf somewhere else