Notebook: NBA Review Doesn't Find Problem With Horry's Foul On West

[MaNuMaNiAc]

hey mavs>spurs, how come you weren't up in arms when Chandler did the exact same thing to Parker?? I know why, 'cause you're a ing hypocrite! that's why!

[Cry Havoc]

Hey I'm actually a decent fisherman. I'm sorry if I missed anything important, I skimmed through and saw the word "fishing."

Then let me repost:

West is sooooo fragile.

That's why he's playing when his team is down 21 midway through the 4th quarter, with Chris Paul on the bench.

That rough n' tough style of NBA play that you're advocating for would have had a Spurs player undercut West to intentionally injure him, perhaps permanently. If we played by those rules, Horry would have put West out of the playoffs, not out of half a quarter. And it WOULD have been intentional. But you'd be happy then, wouldn't you? Because the mark of a grown man is how many people he can hurt and how many punches he can throw to prove how "hard" he is.

Your logics, it's calling you, and it's not happy you've abandoned it in favor of pathetically stupid homer hate. Perhaps if you were a better fisherman, you would have something to instead of troll this board looking for nibbles.

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Maybe you'll read it now, instead of ignorantly spouting such drivel and not listening to anything another person has to say on the matter.

Honestly, why the are you on Spurstalk if not to debate sports? Unless you just want to see other people react to your posts, which is kind of what you are admitting by the above comment.

Sadly, I didn't expect any better out of you.

[mavs>spurs2]

Then let me repost:

West is sooooo fragile.

That's why he's playing when his team is down 21 midway through the 4th quarter, with Chris Paul on the bench.

That rough n' tough style of NBA play that you're advocating for would have had a Spurs player undercut West to intentionally injure him, perhaps permanently. If we played by those rules, Horry would have put West out of the playoffs, not out of half a quarter. And it WOULD have been intentional. But you'd be happy then, wouldn't you? Because the mark of a grown man is how many people he can hurt and how many punches he can throw to prove how "hard" he is.

Your logics, it's calling you, and it's not happy you've abandoned it in favor of pathetically stupid homer hate. Perhaps if you were a better fisherman, you would have something to instead of troll this board looking for nibbles.

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Maybe you'll read it now, instead of ignorantly spouting such drivel and not listening to anything another person has to say on the matter.

Honestly, why the are you on Spurstalk if not to debate sports? Unless you just want to see other people react to your posts, which is kind of what you are admitting by the above comment.

Sadly, I didn't expect any better out of you.

Ok, er, you want a response I'll give you one. First off, you're absolutely right West should not have been on the court when this happened. But the fact that West's coach made a mistake doesn't give free rights to injure a player. I'm not advocating a rough and tough NBA style by saying players should purposely injure eachother, but I guarantee if players could retaliate like back in the day without getting suspended guys like Horry and Bowen would think twice. You can actually play pretty physical without injuring anyone if you just use your brain. There's such thing as a "good hard foul" and a "bad hard foul." Example, when I play pickup games I don't mind body contact or if people hit me on the arms, I never call my fouls. But if someone undercuts me or recklessly hits me in the face, I'm just about ready to fight. Playing good solid physical ball has nothing to do with injuring people, it's about playing basketball the way it was meant to be played and that's the only thing I advocated.

And the reason I didn't read your post the first time isn't because I'm trolling, it's because I hear enough of your whiny homerism in the game chats. You typically don't have much to offer this board, hence why I skimmed your post.

Unless you just want to see other people react to your posts, which is kind of what you are admitting by the above comment.

Sure I sometimes post things to piss people off and get a kick out of the way they react, but it's usually because you people drove me insane with your homer bias.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

hey mavs>spurs, how come you weren't up in arms when Chandler did the exact same thing to Parker?? I know why, 'cause you're a ing hypocrite! that's why!

[mavs>spurs2]

hey mavs>spurs, how come you weren't up in arms when Chandler did the exact same thing to Parker?? I know why, 'cause you're a ing hypocrite! that's why!

Because I don't watch every Spurs game like a hawk and I missed it.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Because I don't watch every Spurs game like a hawk and I missed it.

conveniently I might add

[mavs>spurs2]

conveniently I might add

If it was a dirty play, it was a dirty play. What do you want me to do, tell Tyson's momma and make him come apologize to you personally? Maybe if he did something similar to Parker, that's why Horry also didn't get suspended.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

If it was a dirty play, it was a dirty play. What do you want me to do, tell Tyson's momma and make him come apologize to you personally? Maybe if he did something similar to Parker, that's why Horry also didn't get suspended.

There's a youtube video showing exactly what he did in a thread here. Check it out. The ONLY difference between one and the other is the fact that West had an injured back. In fact, Parker took an even bigger hit.

[mavs>spurs2]

I'm lookin for it but not finding anything. Feel free to post it if you stumble across it again.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Here, 8:03 minute mark

[mavs>spurs2]

Here, 8:03 minute mark

Nasty play, sometimes happens. Looked like Chandler was stationary though, and had been standing there stationary before Parker even crossed half court. Even the announcer says "It looked like he was stationary, it's really not even Tyson's fault. Parker should be mad at Duncan for not calling out that screen." It's unfortunate but at least Parker was ok.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Nasty play, sometimes happens. Looked like Chandler was stationary though, and had been standing there stationary before Parker even crossed half court. Even the announcer says "It looked like he was stationary, it's really not even Tyson's fault. Parker should be mad at Duncan for not calling out that screen." It's unfortunate but at least Parker was ok.

Parker was ok because he didn't have a back injury to begin with. Point is Chandler's play wasn't dirty, nor was Horry's

[mavs>spurs2]

Parker was ok because he didn't have a back injury to begin with. Point is Chandler's play wasn't dirty, nor was Horry's

no it wasn't particularly "dirty," guys take harder hits than that all the time. It was the fact that he had a bad back and Horry premeditated it that pisses me off.

[Cry Havoc]

Ok, er, you want a response I'll give you one. First off, you're absolutely right West should not have been on the court when this happened. But the fact that West's coach made a mistake doesn't give free rights to injure a player. I'm not advocating a rough and tough NBA style by saying players should purposely injure eachother, but I guarantee if players could retaliate like back in the day without getting suspended guys like Horry and Bowen would think twice. You can actually play pretty physical without injuring anyone if you just use your brain. There's such thing as a "good hard foul" and a "bad hard foul." Example, when I play pickup games I don't mind body contact or if people hit me on the arms, I never call my fouls. But if someone undercuts me or recklessly hits me in the face, I'm just about ready to fight. Playing good solid physical ball has nothing to do with injuring people, it's about playing basketball the way it was meant to be played and that's the only thing I advocated.

Sorry that the NBA doesn't follow your version of pick-up.

And the reason I didn't read your post the first time isn't because I'm trolling, it's because I hear enough of your whiny homerism in the game chats. You typically don't have much to offer this board, hence why I skimmed your post.
Sure I sometimes post things to piss people off and get a kick out of the way they react, but it's usually because you people drove me insane with your homer bias.

Yes. I'm a homer. That's why fans of other teams, including David West's team, agrees with the VAST MAJORITY of opinion on here that there was nothing wrong with the pick. But yes, it's due to our homerism. Next.

[mavs>spurs2]

Sorry that the NBA doesn't follow your version of pick-up.

You said that I advocate dirty play, but then get mad at Horry's screen. I showed you why that wasn't true, not that the NBA "doesn't follow my version of pick-up." If that's all that you got out of my post, then you obviously aren't even worth my time.

Yes. I'm a homer. That's why fans of other teams, including David West's team, agrees with the VAST MAJORITY of opinion on here that there was nothing wrong with the pick. But yes, it's due to our homerism. Next.

Who says the vast majority of Hornet fans agree there was nothing wrong? Some proof would be nice, I find that hard to believe. And for the record, yes you are a homer, so far you have whined about the officiating in EVERY SINGLE GAME CHAT this series.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

no it wasn't particularly "dirty," guys take harder hits than that all the time. It was the fact that he had a bad back and Horry premeditated it that pisses me off.

again give me a ing break! If West had a bad back THEN HE SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN PLAYING!! Its not Horry's fault that he did nothing dirty, and because West was already injured, all of a sudden its wrong.

[mavs>spurs2]

again give me a ing break! If West had a bad back THEN HE SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN PLAYING!! Its not Horry's fault that he did nothing dirty, and because West was already injured, all of a sudden its wrong.

Maybe it's a moral issue. If it was me I wouldn't have braced myself and leaned into the screen, making myself as solid a target as I could. Look, I just don't feel that Horry was just out there playing basketball and set a regular screen without thinking. Even guys like whottt say Horry is a crafty veteran and knew what he was doing.

[ClingingMars]

Maybe it's a moral issue. If it was me I wouldn't have braced myself and leaned into the screen, making myself as solid a target as I could. Look, I just don't feel that Horry was just out there playing basketball and set a regular screen without thinking. Even guys like whottt say Horry is a crafty veteran and knew what he was doing.

SO WHAT?

Now look, let me try to make a parallel for you since you can't seem to comprehend Horry's actions.

Let's say Clinton Portis gets hurt. Injures his shoulder, right? And its Dal vs Was. And we all ing hate the Deadskins more than any other team. Do you think that DeMarcus Ware is going to AVOID tackling Portis on the shoulder? NO, he's gonna AIM for that shoulder. Why? Because it's a weakness, and in sports you exploit weaknesses all the time.

- Mars

[mavs>spurs2]

SO WHAT?

Now look, let me try to make a parallel for you since you can't seem to comprehend Horry's actions.

Let's say Clinton Portis gets hurt. Injures his shoulder, right? And its Dal vs Was. And we all ing hate the Deadskins more than any other team. Do you think that DeMarcus Ware is going to AVOID tackling Portis on the shoulder? NO, he's gonna AIM for that shoulder. Why? Because it's a weakness, and in sports you exploit weaknesses all the time.

- Mars

I comprehend just fine without your help, thanks. To some it's a smart play, to some it's a dirty play. But I guarantee if we reversed roles and someone known for being dirty did this to Duncan, we'd never hear the end of it. And I can also guarantee if I was West it would take every ounce of willpower to keep from getting up and hitting Horry in the mouth. Back spasms hurt like nothing else, I know this from experience, and I can only imagine what a pinched nerve feels like.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Maybe it's a moral issue. If it was me I wouldn't have braced myself and leaned into the screen, making myself as solid a target as I could. Look, I just don't feel that Horry was just out there playing basketball and set a regular screen without thinking. Even guys like whottt say Horry is a crafty veteran and knew what he was doing.

come on man. Are you seriously trying to say Horry should have played the pick gently so as to avoid aggravating West's injury?? you can't be this naive

[mavs>spurs2]

come on man. Are you seriously trying to say Horry should have played the pick gently so as to avoid aggravating West's injury?? you can't be this naive

All i'm saying is I'd like to see a great series played with both teams at full strength, and i'd like to be able to say the players feel the same way.

[smeagol]

come on man. Are you seriously trying to say Horry should have played the pick gently so as to avoid aggravating West's injury?? you can't be this naive

Yes.

This is exactly what he's saying.

It is as stupid as you make it sound

[MaNuMaNiAc]

All i'm saying is I'd like to see a great series played with both teams at full strength, and i'd like to be able to say the players feel the same way.

You didn't really answer my question, did you?

Are you seriously trying to say Horry should have played the pick gently so as to avoid aggravating West's injury?? yes or no?

[Cry Havoc]

You said that I advocate dirty play, but then get mad at Horry's screen. I showed you why that wasn't true, not that the NBA "doesn't follow my version of pick-up."

You don't advocate dirty play, but you have stated that you want to go back to the rules of the 80s, when players were allowed to fight. Please, be more contradictory in your statements.

If that's all that you got out of my post, then you obviously aren't even worth my time.

And you really aren't worth mine. I just like to point out the gaping holes in your assertions for my own amusement. Seems others are doing the same here, as well.

Who says the vast majority of Hornet fans agree there was nothing wrong? Some proof would be nice, I find that hard to believe. And for the record, yes you are a homer, so far you have whined about the officiating in EVERY SINGLE GAME CHAT this series.

And if you'll notice in Game 6 I argued that several calls should not have been fouls on New Orleans. I'm fed up with officiating in general and make no secret that I think the home team is getting more than just a slight benefit in this year's playoffs.

I think most knowledgeable Hornets fans would agree that the pick is just good hard basketball.

[mouse]

mavs>spurs I would chime in but talking to chumpdumper is like trying to get your dog to use a litter box he still thinks jet fuel can melt a steel framed building and that 9/11 was planned by the Jews.

As for the Horry put a Maverick jersey on him and have him shove Tim Duncan and you will really see hypocrisy in it's prime.