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We saw a couple tonight.
Are you sure Chalmers can come in and give 12 to 15 minutes of quality play a night. How many PGs who aren't really PGs but more combo guard have done that playing for contenders and were 26th pick talent?
We saw a couple tonight.
I sure as hope he isn't.
What's more likely, that you can pull someone to be a backup out of this draft next season and give you at most 15 minutes a night or you land someone with pick #26 who can start at the 2 spot and give you 25+, not to mention be able to score enough to keep Manu's minutes down next season?
Neither.
I think you have a better chance with a pure position player than a combo guard, particularly one that isn't top 12 talent. I also think Lawson has more potential to be starting quality and a trade assest down the road. It's all speculation and I've been way wrong before.
Who is sure of anything?
But Chalmers is more versatile. He's a tremendous defender. He's got experience both running the point and playing off the ball. He's got a consistent jumpshot, and has proven that he is clutch with it. And he's got the wingspan of a taller player, which allowed him to effectively guard much bigger guards at the collegiate level. None of that is really disputed.
He's not my favorite guy at the slot, but he's a FAR better option than Lawson.
Well good. Vaughn is Tony's backup next season then.
Come playoff time, you bet your ass he will. He averaged 38.5 this past playoffs.
If he's not worn out by then.
Rodney Stuckey?
Ok, he was drafted a little higher than Chalmers probably will be but very similar situation.
If the Spurs draft someone to bring in next season in the 1st round, then they're going to be ready to contribute from the FO's perspective. Only if someone they're really high on but who needs some work falls to them do I see them going a different route.
Let's not get things twisted, Chalmers can create for himself and others. It may not be his strong point, but he's not Chris lofton either. I think people will be pleasantly suprised with how his game will translate to the N.B.A., and more specifically the Spurs' motion offense.
Why would he be?
He won't play that much in the regular season and the Spurs could probably get by with Vaughn as the back-up and still make the playoffs.
But that's when it matters. Chalmers might be able to help this team come next May. Lawson almost certainly will not (as I said, just not enough minutes behind Parker/Manu running the point available).
Wait, so what do you expect them to do with the pick then? Draft another project that we've never heard of?
If anything, this postseason showed Pop that he needs to really manage the big 3's minutes during the regular season. With Manu coming off his injury plus playing in the Olympics, it will be paramount that the Spurs find players who can play in the rotation today. I think they make a hard push in free agency for a scoring swingman this summer. To upgrade the backup point position, it almost defaults to using the #26 pick for that.
Yeah, backup PG is what they are going to use it for. They need someone who can score i.e., Chalmers. Spurs have the MLE and that's about it as far as going after a "scoring swingman".
I expect them to take Chalmers if he's available. If not, then perhaps there's someone else who's ready to contribute that they'll go with.
I'm not saying they won't draft a project or draft and stash, yet again. But I think this year it's highly likely they will be drafting for next season, not the 2010-11 season.
There are other variables. Perhaps they use their trade exception and land a backup point using it and the #26. I don't see them landing someone who could put up 15 to 20 points a night at #26 next season.
I'm talking myself more into Chalmers as this thread lengthens (which is REALLY DIFFICULT for a K-State fan, trust me).
But this is a guy who will likely be able to play the point competently. Can man the 2 spot for stretches in the right match-up. He can guard the league's premier PGs, which frees up Bowen to wreak havoc on bigger perimeter players. And he'll knock down the open 15-18 footers (aka 'the speedy claxton special') that the offense creates for him.
There's no shame in seeing the light.
Everything you said is true. He'll also help to ignite our transition game with the way he plays passing lanes. We need people that can get us easy buckets, and turning defense into offense is a great way to get them.
Yeah Chalmers is starting to creep up into my number one position. Rush or CDR might be able to play right away ... but there's also a chance they'd spend the whole year in the D-League or buried on the bench. Batum is talented but by the time he's ready Duncan is ready to hang up his Adidas. If Pop can find minutes minutes for Vaughn due to his supposed defense, he can find minutes for Chalmers who is a much better defensive and offensive player.
Then it works out nicely because you can get a Forbes, Giddens, Weems, Calathes or any of the other dozen swingman prospects in the second round. The difference between someone like Rush and Giddens isn't as big as the difference between Chalmers and George Hill or Drew Neitzel or whoever the best point guard is at 45.
We'll see what the Spurs do. PG makes the most sense once you put all the cards on the table. Perhaps RC will go draft-n-stash just to try to prove the doubters wrong.
If they are able to trade up, then I could see them going away from Chalmers in the draft for perhaps that long swingman prospect. But then you're looking at Vaughn as the backup point and perhaps Barry in spot duty.
I'm not too sure about the Spurs' being able to move up in this draft. They'll have to pony up some cash and/or find a team facing the lux tax limit who wants to shed contracts and will pay the Spurs for taking them with their trade exception. Still, how many times have we heard the Spurs were looking to move up and see them unable to do so?
RC is Self's buddy. He undoubtedly has followed KU ball somewhat closely. Self has probably sung Chalmers' praises to RC. There aren't really that many question marks about Chalmers from the Spurs' perspective. He can defend, knock down shots in pressure situations, and he isn't a knucklehead. Also he can likely be had on a relatively small and short guaranteed contract. If he doesn't pan out, then the Spurs don't keep him past the two year minimum, which of course would be the summer of 2010. Also, conveniently they dealt their 2009 1st rounder.
lol, draft-n-stash is a remote option because the Spurs are already near the Salary Cap and they aren't even close to having enough players to fill out a complete roster.
Excellent point.
? Yeah, they're at the salary cap, but the luxury tax is the number to worry about.
Spurs have 9 guys under contract. And the team can probably bring back most - if not all - of their current FAs at reasonable values (not that they would or should want to).
This doesn't even count the MLE or LLE that can be used in FA.
This is all being discussed in another thread which I am too lazy to link to.
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