Bill Nye slams creationism

[RandomGuy]

Let's imagine a jar, filled with jelly beans, about as big as a loaf of bread you might buy in a store.

Without taking them out and counting them, what kinds of observations could you make about how many jelly beans are in the jar, mouse?

(this question goes very directly to what you are saying about scientists being "unsure")

When did I claim to be a Science professor? I am merely pointing out facts that you and your bow tie wearing Science pals at Myth busters have no answers for.
If I off base prove me wrong don't attack my credibility it has nothing to do with Saturn.

First off I would find out when Glass was invented. That would give me an idea how old the jar isn't. Then by finding out what the jar weighs w/o the jellybeans and then weighing the jar with the jelly beans I would just subtract the two numbers and come up with a close enough measurement

Ok, so you would use weight. Take the weight of the jellybeans divided by the weight of one jelly bean, to get a number of jelly beans.

1) Would the number of jelly beans that you calculated from this experiment be 100% guaranteed to be correct? Why or why not?

2) Why is this method better than simply randomly guessing a number between one and a trillion? Randomly guessing would also get a number of jelly beans.

[skips answering].

Again, my two questions here were rather basic, and go directly to the point you are attempting to make about scientists' claims. If you could answer them, we can get to a very important idea, that we can both probably agree on.

Hey RandomLie how many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie pop? be careful how you answer this question your whole credibility on Evolution will be ruined.

You want to use jelly beans and basic math to try and prove to someone man Evolved form an Ape go right ahead.

I will just keep posting facts Evolution is a lie and let the readers decide for themselves. If you want to talk candy experiments go right ahead I am to busy in two other topics with "real" debaters who ask "real" questions.

Even if i gave you the correct answer it still doesn't prove Darwin was right or the earth is "4 billion" years old.

As for my good buddy Phyzix since you seem to be able to keep your insults in check and since I know deep down inside your not an idiot I will devote a few hours of my limited time in education you on a subject your very misinformed in.

First off when i get home tonight i will post over 5-10 Science and biology books found in the schools today. feel free to Google these books and trace what schools they are in. I am shocked you have no idea the science and Biology school books say the Earth "is" 4 Billion years old and the solar system "is" 12 - 20 Billion years old. They don't say long long ago dinosaurs roamed the earth they say "25 Million" years ago.

The books even say how long the earth took to cool down for life to form. Can you imagine how insane you would have to be to even say in a text book what life was like on planet earth 50,000 years ago? And yet these clowns claim they know what happened "12 billion" years ago?

If you really think a few Fossils and your misguided links are going to help you win this debate your seriously mistaken.


I will address all your points then i will ask you a few questions and expect the same.

You didn't answer my very simple questions again. I will assume that you will not do so. Unable, or willing, I am not sure.

I will answer them for you, then.

1) No. Weighing the jelly beans will not get you a 100% guaranteed answer. There would still be a chance that your calculation was slightly off. Unless you counted them, you would never be perfectly sure about how many jelly beans were in the jar.

2) By gathering data, you can start eliminating possibilities, and get closer than randomly (HA) guessing. If your random guess was that there was 600,000,000 jelly beans in jar, and you know from your observations that 600,000,000 would weigh as much as small office building, you can rule out that guess, as well as obviously low numbers, such as 1 or 2.

Even though you aren't completely sure what the number is, you can make some statements about what the number is, and what the number is NOT.

The universe is NOT 10,000 years old. The earth is NOT 10,000 years old.

The data we have gathered allows us to eliminate these possibilities, just as surely as we know that there are not 10 jelly beans in the jar. The same principle applies to all things. Guesses, even ones we are not perfectly certain of, based on data and observed measurements are better than randomly pulling something out of a hat.

All the science book covers you could post in the world will not change this.

[RandomGuy]

I am shocked you have no idea the science and Biology school books say the Earth "is" 4 Billion years old and the solar system "is" 12 - 20 Billion years old. They don't say long long ago dinosaurs roamed the earth they say "25 Million" years ago.

We started taking in data about our observable universe in meaningful and applicable ways over two centuries ago.

Since then we have gathered more information, and done more experiments, and refined our guesses about the ages of both our planet, the solar system, and the universe itself.

We are never going to get either down to any exact date, but we are very, very certain that we are close to within a few hundred million years for both.

Even with this potential for error, we know that the universe, and our planet, are not 10,000 years old.

[RandomGuy]

The Oort cloud is a "theory" you cant use it as proof where comets come from. it's Science's "get out of jail" card.

They had to come up with a reason we still have comets if they are a result of the big bang "12 Billion" years ago. The oldest comet according to science is 10,000 to 15,000 years of age they burn out. they ed up and didn't do the math so they covered they're tracks with the bull Oort cloud.

Who knew the uninformed redneck of the Club would finally pull out the Oort Cloud card?



Like a creator? You can't have it both ways dude.

if there is "something" we don't know that could be out there than Science needs to leave the door open for "something" else besides a huge ape like missing link type man that evolved from a snail.

for tat

This is not what the thinking about that the Oort cloud is. Sorry. It wasn't created during the big bang, and came much after.

There exists, in between the stars in our cluster, the remnants of a supernova, an explosion of a massive star, perhaps even several of them. We see nebulas like this all over that are the results of other novae.

Out of this gas over immense periods of time, clumps formed and gravity did enough to start pulling enough gas/material together to form our solar system. Once enough hydrogen got together at the middle of it, our sun formed, and blew away most of the really light stuff. The stuff that remained was the heavy stuff formed in the core of stars, Iron and so forth, with a few traces of other more heavy stuff like uranium, lead, and gold.

The Oort cloud is out there, and has quite a lot of mass/clumps left over. As our star moves through it, and as other stars move around, the gravity, even weak at the immense distances, will move stuff just ever so slightly, so that it gets close enough to our sun to orbit.

This draws out new comets all the time. Comets were coming out of this before we existed, and will continue to come out of it after we are gone, assuming no huge nova in our vicinity takes us out first.

You don't seem to understand what science says about this, and a host of other things, because you continually, repeatedly, keep posting things that are factually wrong, and easily falsified.

Sorry, not buying your trolling.

[RandomGuy]

I researched it.

Now can you prove man evolved from a lizard, or the Earth is "4 billion" years old?

Fossil.



'nuff said.

[mouse]

random guy I will evaluate your findings in the next 3 days I am busy helping a friend out personal matter but I hope you will evaluate my findings when I present evidence your findings are misleading.

[Proxy]

poor friend... doesn't know he's getting help from someone who thinks man evolved from dinosaurs

[phyzik]

poor friend... doesn't know he's getting help from someone who thinks man evolved from dinosaurs

Thats wrong. Mouse thinks Man was created alongside of Dinosaurs and we lived alongside each other peacefully for a while. Get it straight.

As far as the books you posted Mouse, I asked for federal or state approved school texts, those are not school books, those are opinion pieces you can pull off of a Barnes and Noble shelf. They are books of research, not federal or even state sanctioned school books.. HUGE difference. Try again. Still waiting for an elementary/middle/high school book that definitively claims the Big Bang as fact and not a theory.

Once again: You WONT find it.

[phyzik]

Tell us Mouse, seriously, how old do you really believe the Earth is? Lets get a basis on what your beliefs are. Its obvious what I and many others believe but you love to duck the question...

How old is the Earth in your beliefs? What actual hard data can you provide that wont be laughed at by the majority of physicist, Geologists, astrophysics and Biologists?

Seriously, post all of your REAL data and I bet it can be debunked by just about any RESPECTED scientists.

Nevermind the fact that you TOTALLY ignored what space travel has brought to us medically and scientifically, which is one of your biggest harping points... (Ohh, why cant science focus on this and that here on Earth??? Why go into Space where my beliefs will be put to shame? Why cant we just believe in magic and pray for our problems to go away?). Why dont you argue that fact?

Mouse LOVES to point out that Space exploration doesnt provide "Right NOW!" results, but he obviously fails to see the big picture and what space exploration has done for humanity. Undoubtedly, he will come up with some smart ass answer like Tang and completely ignore the stuff I listed, which is very short compared to reality, just a page or two ago.

[mouse]

Thats wrong. Mouse thinks Man was created alongside of Dinosaurs and we lived alongside each other peacefully for a while. Get it straight.

As far as the books you posted Mouse, I asked for federal or state approved school texts, those are not school books, those are opinion pieces you can pull off of a Barnes and Noble shelf. They are books of research, not federal or even state sanctioned school books.. HUGE difference. Try again. Still waiting for an elementary/middle/high school book that definitively claims the Big Bang as fact and not a theory.

Once again: You WONT find it.

Are you serious?

Have you even done any research? You really want me to take a photo of myself in a school with a student holding one of those text books? That is like me asking you to prove your not gay. I want a photo of your Johnson in a woman's vagina and make sure you post a local newspaper in the photo so I can see its this year.

You remind me of the "birther's" you want proof Obama was born in the usa you wont stop until you see a video of his black ass exiting the womb with an American flag waving in the background.


I think your either misguided or trying to use stall tactics. In any case I will see if I can prove to you that the Science and Biology texts books say exactly what I mentioned. You know you can just hop in that 1998 GMC pickup and visit the nearest public school and see for yourself.



But if I go through the hassle to "once again" prove my point is valid then you need to accept my findings and stop trying to use these weak tactics to somehow stall the debate any further.

[Proxy]

Thats wrong. Mouse thinks Man was created alongside of Dinosaurs and we lived alongside each other peacefully for a while. Get it straight.

I researched it.

Now can you prove man evolved from a lizard, or the Earth is "4 billion" years old?

[mouse]

Tell us Mouse, seriously, how old do you really believe the Earth is? Lets get a basis on what your beliefs are. Its obvious what I and many others believe but you love to duck the question...

I don't duck questions I just sometimes refuse to reply to immature wannabee TRolls who are just here to have mini smack downs as they lurk from topic to topic like some sort of sucker fish looking for scraps.

How old is the Earth

From my many years of dedicated research I would have to say 20,000 to 50,000 years.

in your beliefs?

I don't have any beliefs I am not a creationist.

What actual hard data can you provide

Lot's

that wont be laughed at by the majority of physicist, Geologists, astrophysics and Biologists?

If any one in any of those professions you mention actually "laugh" they are not serious in the subject matter so I would avoid them and seek out the ones who look outside the box and just not what is in the text books. After all if we went by what was in the text books in the 1800's or early 1900's and laughed at the possibility man traveling in space or being able to send a text to someone I'm sure those so-called nuts were laughed at also. so i don't believe what we have in the text books to be "permanent" or "final" there is so mush to learn.

So I will take all the laughs I can get just as they laughed at Telsa, Al Gros,and Steve Wozniak.

You think being laughed at is something new when it comes to ideas and theories that are hard for the little minds to comprehend?

Seriously, post all of your REAL data and I bet it can be debunked by just about any RESPECTED scientists.

So you have Scientists that are not respected? Or is that a code for "not agreeing with the others"? I am not after respect, nor do i care if you and your cookie cutter Scientist have issues with my data. I rather be laughed at and not taken serious and be right than to be so "well respected" and be wrong.

Nevermind the fact that you TOTALLY ignored what space travel has brought to us medically and scientifically

what has it brought us?

which is one of your biggest harping points... (Ohh, why cant science focus on this and that here on Earth???

Is asking for a cure for "one" disease to much to ask before we use another 4.6 Billion to see if there is a roach fossil on Mars?

Why go into Space where my beliefs will be put to shame?

Go to space all you want. I don't have issues with Space travel my issues was with NASA and the lies.

Why cant we just believe in magic and pray for our problems to go away?).

Your mixing your comebacks with the wrong person, I don't support religion.

Why don't you argue that fact?

Did you know doctors in the 40s said it was a "fact" tobacco was good for your health and asbestos was non lethal? What about the people who disagreed with them and got laughed at? It's not a fact anymore it was a "lie" Asbestos is bad for you and so is tobacco so what makes a "fact" permanent?

If some scientist today claims there is a tree found to be 30,000 years old instead of the 20,000 year old tree they have now I am more than "willing" to accept the findings. On the other hand if Scientist tell you the reason your here is because of some random explosion from mass that don't know where it came from and after 4.6 billion years you evolved from a rock that got rained on after 25 million years you eat that up and ask for more.

I apologize if my Bull radar suspects agenda driven propaganda like your buddy Darwin cooked up in the 1800's

You seem so intelligent and yet why are you so closed minded to just accept everything you read or see on the Discovery channel?

Mouse LOVES to point out that Space exploration doesnt provide "Right NOW!" results, but he obviously fails to see the big picture and what space exploration has done for humanity.

Like what?

Undoubtedly, he will come up with some smart ass answer like Tang and completely ignore the stuff I listed, which is very short compared to reality, just a page or two ago.

I'm sure the cancer victims in the hospital with weeks to live have a copy of that huge list of "wonderful" things space has done for them.

[redzero]

I don't duck questions

Liar. I have asked you three times if there would be enough food and water for everybody if the population became ten times larger, and you dodged my question each time.

From my many years of dedicated research I would have to say 20,000 to 50,000 years.

Your creationist buddies think it is younger than that, and you have been copying and pasting arguments from people who think it is 6000 years old.

I don't have any beliefs I am not a creationist.

Everybody has beliefs, re . You don't know what "belief" means.

Is asking for a cure for "one" disease to much to ask before we use another 4.6 Billion to see if there is a roach fossil on Mars?

Billions of dollars have already been spent trying to find a cure for cancer. Do you think finding a cure is as simple as throwing money at the problem?

Your mixing your comebacks with the wrong person, I don't support religion.

Yet you blindly accept the arguments of creationists.

I apologize if my Bull radar suspects agenda driven propaganda like your buddy Darwin cooked up in the 1800's

Your bull radar also went off when you saw the explanation for elements, but when pressed you couldn't actually explain why you disagreed with the explanation.

You seem so intelligent and yet why are you so closed minded to just accept everything you read or see on the Discovery channel?

Why do you accept everything creationists tell you?

I'm sure the cancer victims in the hospital with weeks to live have a copy of that huge list of "wonderful" things space has done for them.

It's not NASA's fault they have cancer, so your argument is moot.

[mouse]

[QUOTE=redzero;6153861]Liar. I have asked you three times if there would be enough food and water for everybody if the population became ten times larger, and you dodged my question each time.

And I answered you . You just didn't like my answer.

Your creationist buddies think it is younger than that, and you have been copying and pasting arguments from people who think it is 6000 years old.

And you have yet to debunk the data. And why are you so hung up on "copy and paste" that is why we have computers and a mouse that has "right click" copy. You never copied or pasted anything?

Everybody has beliefs, re .

I just remembered why I avoid trying to debate you.

[redzero]

And I answered you . You just didn't like my answer.

Link me to your answer or post your answer again.

I'll bet you'll find an excuse not to do that.

And you have yet to debunk the data. And why are you so hung up on "copy and paste" that is why we have computers and a mouse that has "right click" copy. You never copied or pasted anything?

The difference is that I CITE MY SOURCES. Every time you try to defend yourself on this, you keep ignoring this gigantic fact. You copy and paste, then don't credit the people you got your arguments from. You call this stuff "your" findings and "your" data, even though they aren't. You just copied and pasted them from other websites.

[mouse]

Seriously, post all of your REAL data and I bet it can be debunked by just about any RESPECTED scientists.
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You just have to go back a few pages i have been doing just that.


straight from the Science text books this fossil is of a fish that died Millions of years ago according to Science




and yet, the same fish that Science claimed has been dead for "millions" of years is still found alive today?

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How much more do you need? Why not debunk my data before you ask for more data?


I don't care if Science is wrong from time to time the issue is they don't update the Science books. Since they have an agenda to push Darwin's religion and disproved theories on the students which is so obvious in here dealing with the misinformed posters as you can see in this topic..

you want to teach Evolution buy some tv time on PBS don't use my tax dollars to teach it in public schools.

[mouse]

Link me to your answer or post your answer again.

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Pssssssst!

it's on the previous page.

For the third time, what is one major thing a civilization would need to grow and prosper? I will try to debunk your position if you answer my questions.

My reply
I don't work for panned parenthood so your asking the wrong person, now do yo "have" and "evidence" man Evolved from a rock?

[redzero]

That's not the question I am talking about.

Here's the question:

Mouse, if there were ten times as many people on earth tomorrow, would there be enough food and water for everybody?

[mouse]

That's not the question I am talking about.

Here's the question:

And I said....

mouse, if there is not enough food for a group of people, is that group likely to grow?

I don't work for the food bank so your asking the wrong person.

[redzero]

Then how can you claim as fact that the population should be much larger, when you have completely failed to consider the amount of resources it would take to maintain such a gigantic group of people?

You just showed why the argument you plagiarized falls flat on its face. And you also showed how lacking you are intellectually by being unable to realize that there is not enough food on earth right now for 70 billion people. How do you not know that?

[mouse]

Then how can you claim as fact that the population should be much larger, when you have completely failed to consider the amount of resources it would take to maintain such a gigantic group of people?

precisely my point! re-read my post I am saying if the earth was as old as Science says and man was around "25 Million" years ago the population would be much larger.

Do you not get it my point?

You just showed why the argument you plagiarized falls flat on its face.

So glad to finally "show" you something ........I guess.

And you also showed how lacking you are intellectually by being unable to realize that there is not enough food on earth right now 70 billion people. How do you not know that?

That was spoken before you Re-Read my "original" posting so you get a pass.

[redzero]

You are completely full of .

Here's your post in which you try to claim that the population would be much larger if the earth was billions of years old:

Did you know the population of the Earth does not mathematically match up to when Science claims man Evolved form a primate?


Population growth, today the earth's population doubles every 50 years. If we assumed only half of the current growth rate and start with one couple, it would take less than 4,000 years to achieve today's population. These are topics the Evolutionist avoid.

Nowhere in this post do you even mention the amount of resources it would take to feed the world's population. You're just trying to save face.

Those two arguments are contradictory, so you can't be on both sides. There is a common sense reason why your position is idiotic, and you are trying to weasel your way out of acknowledging stupidity. The population is growing like this for a reason. If the growth rates were uniform throughout history, there would be way more people than can be sustained. But growth rates aren't uniform, so there is a manageable amount of people.

And no credible scientist claims that man was around for 25 million years.

[mouse]

You are completely full of .

Here's your post in which you try to claim that the population would be much larger if the earth was billions of years old:



Nowhere in this post do you even mention the amount of resources it would take to feed the world's population.

I never said I was a "nutritionist" what is with all the Food channel questions?




Seriously dude get off that Imaginary "high horse" your soon to be crusted uneducated ass you sit on and start posting something that De-bunks any of my data.

You're just trying to save face.

Your face, your ass..., ...what's the difference?

Those two arguments are contradictory, so you can't be on both sides.

I don't pick sides I pick Evidence something your Pappy Darwin never had , did he?

There is a common sense reason why your position is idiotic, and you are trying to weasel your way out of acknowledging stupidity.

You got me there.

The population is growing like this for a reason. If the growth rates were uniform throughout history, there would be way more people than can be sustained. But growth rates aren't uniform, so there is a manageable amount of people.

Great point. so you do the math , how many people should we have?

And no credible scientist claims that man was around for 25 million years.

ok let me find the data...

[redzero]

Before I even read your post, I am going to bet that there isn't any actual argument in it.

I never said I was a "nutritionist" what is with all the Food channel questions?

It doesn't take a nutritionist to know that a population can't grow without sufficient resources. This common sense fact was completely missed by you.

Seriously dude get off that Imaginary "high horse" your soon to be crusted uneducated ass you sit on and start posting something that De-bunks any of my data.

I just did debunk one of "your" pieces of data, and you are avoiding my response.

Great point. so you do the math , how many people should we have?

The current population is the correct one once one considers all the contributing factors (e.g., medicine, technology, resources etc.). You completely ignored the important factors of population growth when you copied and pasted that creationist's argument.

This is just another case of you blindly believing whatever creationists tell you.

[mouse]

Before I even read your post, I am going to bet that there isn't any actual argument in it.

I am going to try and explain to this person I am "not" supporting the population growth theory! re-read my "origina' reply.

I am saying it doesn't make sense just as he is saying, why cant you see my point?

your making my point each time you post.

It doesn't take a nutritionist to know that a population can't grow without sufficient resources. This common sense fact was completely missed by you.

Since your lost on this point and have no evidence my data is false i will move on to another point.


Someone here wanted me to prove Science claims man has been around for over "25 Million" years. Many posters here keep whining about where is the evidence.

Here is all the evidence you really need. This "man made" tool or eating utensil was found buried under a mine 1880.



Notice the date the Scientist give the tool.



If a tool "made by man" was found to be buried in a layer of rock dated "55 Million" years old do the math.

[mouse]

Nova did an Evolution special where a man discovered "human" footprints fossilized with "dinosaur" prints. Nova refused to film it. And the Smithsonian museum fired the Museum director for trying to add the fossil to the museum is that "Science" isn't Science about "learning"?

Evolution isn't Science it's a religion that is guarded well.