Toronto Pick Watch (Top 6 protected)

[Mr. Body]

The reason why the Spurs are so poor is not because of the draft, but because every single player that gets any playing time is under 23 years old and most of them under 20 and barely have any experience. They have little notion of how to win certain aspects of the game, they're getting so much wrong and the whole team is having to learn together.

When you have strong vets, this is completely different. Instead of five guys making mistakes you may have one, and the others can cover for that player in that situation.

When you have five mistake makers on the floor at all times, it's incredibly hard to get it all worked out. Add to the mix sort of pausing everything to figure one anic player out, and the fact that the roster is missing parts anyway.

Last year at this time the guys balling out were Sandro and Julian, both of whom have fallen completely off.

The team might do well to pick up strong vets in FA but it's unlikely to happen. A trade or two might happen. But ultimately the improvement will and has to largely come internally and by building collective and individual knowledge.

[LeBowen]

Don't you get tired of constantly spewing nonsense and getting called out for it?

because every single player that gets any playing time is under 23 years old

Wrong.
Our two worst players this season (considering the expectations and their salaries) have been Keldon and Collins.
Keldon is in his fifth and Collins is in his seventh season.
The biggest issue with both of them is that their basketball IQ is approaching absolute zero on both ends of the floor.

If they performed on the level we expected of them, Spurs would easily have at least 5 more wins, if not 10.

Then the rest of your post is more or less the same nonsense.

It doesn't matter how inexperienced Branham and Wesley are when it's obvious they're not NBA-level players.

[JPB]

Don't you get tired of constantly spewing nonsense and getting called out for it?



Wrong.
Our two worst players this season (considering the expectations and their salaries) have been Keldon and Collins.
Keldon is in his fifth and Collins is in his seventh season.
The biggest issue with both of them is that their basketball IQ is approaching absolute zero on both ends of the floor.

If they performed on the level we expected of them, Spurs would easily have at least 5 more wins, if not 10.

Then the rest of your post is more or less the same nonsense.

It doesn't matter how inexperienced Branham and Wesley are when it's obvious they're not NBA-level players.

I remember posting their age like 2 days ago to question the notion some seem to have we would be talking about kids from College...

I mean none of Keldon, Devin, Tre or Collins are under 23... Keldon will be 25 this year, Tre is 24, Devin 24 soon and Zach is 26. And Wemby is Wemby so he's out of this discussion...Even Champagnie will be 23 in a few months...

that leaves us with Sochan + Barlowe/Branham/Wesley who are indeed 3rd string NBA players.

[scott]

The reason why the Spurs are so poor is not because of the draft, but because every single player that gets any playing time is under 23 years old and most of them under 20 and barely have any experience. They have little notion of how to win certain aspects of the game, they're getting so much wrong and the whole team is having to learn together.

When you have strong vets, this is completely different. Instead of five guys making mistakes you may have one, and the others can cover for that player in that situation.

When you have five mistake makers on the floor at all times, it's incredibly hard to get it all worked out. Add to the mix sort of pausing everything to figure one anic player out, and the fact that the roster is missing parts anyway.

Last year at this time the guys balling out were Sandro and Julian, both of whom have fallen completely off.

The team might do well to pick up strong vets in FA but it's unlikely to happen. A trade or two might happen. But ultimately the improvement will and has to largely come internally and by building collective and individual knowledge.

I largely agree with this, but it also highlights what what happens when you do this: you get stuck in a trap where these 5 guys never learn how to pull themselves out of that zone of cluelessness, because there is no one to show them how and give them experience.

Throwing 5 inexperienced kids on the court is more likely to result in a high % of them being career losers (and maybe the one alpha who figures out how to rise above) than it is creating a core of 5 who learned how to win together.

[Mr. Body]

Jesus ing Christ are you a bunch of pointless nerds. Okay, some of the players are 25.

Keldon and Collins are probably not longterm pieces, but anyway way to miss the utter ing point. The team is incredibly young and has very little playing time. More to the point, very little winning playing time. And the most likely way to learn how to win is working slowly at it. Like Orlando is doing and OKC has done.. There are no quick fixes. And we've seen over and over trying for quick fixes kills the seed corn and you regret it in a few years.

ing nerds.

[Splits]

raging

[NASpurs]

Jesus ing Christ are you a bunch of pointless nerds. Okay, some of the players are 25.

Keldon and Collins are probably not longterm pieces, but anyway way to miss the utter ing point. The team is incredibly young and has very little playing time. More to the point, very little winning playing time. And the most likely way to learn how to win is working slowly at it. Like Orlando is doing and OKC has done.. There are no quick fixes. And we've seen over and over trying for quick fixes kills the seed corn and you regret it in a few years.

ing nerds.

Take a deep breath , you take this too seriously.

[Mr. Body]

Take a deep breath , you take this too seriously.

It's like dealing with kindergartners with poopy pants. You can't get their attention just to get them into the bathroom and they're smearing that everywhere. Just a clown show with a lot of people here, including you.

[Mr. Body]

Anyway, in the land of adults, Toronto hosts Charlotte today, a decent W opportunity.

[rascal]

It's like dealing with kindergartners with poopy pants. You can't get their attention just to get them into the bathroom and they're smearing that everywhere. Just a clown show with a lot of people here, including you.

Stop it

Why do you have an at ude that your opinion is the only one that is correct.

[NASpurs]

It's like dealing with kindergartners with poopy pants. You can't get their attention just to get them into the bathroom and they're smearing that everywhere. Just a clown show with a lot of people here, including you.

No one has a bigger swing and a miss record in their ty amateur analysis than you. You're a ing got through and through.

[mudyez]

Will be fun, when they just jump into the top4, renderin all this hoping for wins/losses dull.
This thread might reach historical page counts.

[spurraider21]

Raptors choked a big lead away and big Bertans actually put hornets up 1 late

quickly has now hit 4 FTs to put raptors back up 3 with about 30 to go

[SpursFan86]

Looks like Toronto will escape with the win

[Splits]

hilarious how many so people believe in "tanking". if any team should tank, it would be the Raps. Yet nigs hit 7/8 FTs in the last minute to win the game. garbage thinking

[td4mvp2k]

hilarious how many so people believe in "tanking". if any team should tank, it would be the Raps. Yet nigs hit 7/8 FTs in the last minute to win the game. garbage thinking

yeah i'm surprised masai is ok with that

[onechance87]

good news...raptors win.....bad news poeltl got injured

[Mr. Body]

hilarious how many so people believe in "tanking". if any team should tank, it would be the Raps. Yet nigs hit 7/8 FTs in the last minute to win the game. garbage thinking

Because they want to give up the pick this year and not worry about it again. Thank God you're not in any position of authority in life.

[Knoxxx]

Because they want to give up the pick this year and not worry about it again. Thank God you're not in any position of authority in life.

Hey ass hat I’ll accept ur apology now…

[Splits]

Because they want to give up the pick this year and not worry about it again. Thank God you're not in any position of authority in life.

garbage thinking

[spurraider21]

hilarious how many so people believe in "tanking". if any team should tank, it would be the Raps. Yet nigs hit 7/8 FTs in the last minute to win the game. garbage thinking

Players don’t tank. They’re playing for contracts. Front offices tank

[venitian navigator]

Jesus ing Christ are you a bunch of pointless nerds. Okay, some of the players are 25.

Keldon and Collins are probably not longterm pieces, but anyway way to miss the utter ing point. The team is incredibly young and has very little playing time. More to the point, very little winning playing time. And the most likely way to learn how to win is working slowly at it. Like Orlando is doing and OKC has done.. There are no quick fixes. And we've seen over and over trying for quick fixes kills the seed corn and you regret it in a few years.

ing nerds.

totally agree!!!

[JPB]

Stop it

Why do you have an at ude that your opinion is the only one that is correct.

That's his schtick and basically all the guy does now here, post after post, to a grotesque extend... Calling out and insulting everybody and anybody, the "fanbase" "ST", the world, in every single thread, who don't get it ("go all shoot yourself", "nerds", "kindergartners with poopy pant...) vs. him the smart ass of the board who keeps posting nonsense after nonsense... Then talking about attention seeking on top of that, while you can see he's craving for self validation and glorification...He's certainly entering ignore territory for many people here I'm sure.

So annoying.

[Mr. Body]

I get annoyed when so many people repeat the same crap about how our players are awful that everything sucks that Branham, say, is a piece of and needs to be traded immediately and Collins needs to be shot in the head.

I also get annoyed when some idiot uses words like nig.

It seems very clear that Toronto operates in certain ways. They talk about what they're doing all the time.

This fanbase is much too stupid, petulant, and frankly just doesn't deserve what this franchise has done. That's not being a sniffer. There's enough to criticize.

But if you're put off by someone getting incensed bu brain dead group think of the worst kind, I don't know what to tell you. Because there's a load of it and it deserves to be attacked.

[Mr. Body]

hilarious how many so people believe in "tanking". if any team should tank, it would be the Raps. Yet nigs hit 7/8 FTs in the last minute to win the game. garbage thinking

How does the racism of this not deserve ridicule?

Even aside from just not even trying to understand what their strategy is?

C'mon, just let me know why this doesn't deserve being treated like an asshole or a child.