Luis Scola & Jackie Butler GONE?!

[Holt's Cat]

One would think the Rockets could get a 1st round pick this summer if they wanted to move him.

I don't get it. At least the Spurs know how to draft international talent (when they know the birthday of said talent). Why the did they give that talent away? Especially with Horry on the decline.

[whottt]

Considering tangibles and intangibles, I think Scola has an argument for being the best player on the Rockets during their 20-game streak. Not only are his stats pretty good but his defense is actually a whole lot better than I expected, he can really rebound and the guy sets more solid screens than almost anyone in the league.

So Scola > Parker, Manu and Duncan?

I mean...they've never won 20 games in a row.

Scola better than Shaq? He's never won 20.

I know Spurs fans who backed the trade are contractually obligated to hate Scola and diminish success by both Scola and the Rockets but it's actually pretty damn lame now. Watch one game and see how good the Rockets are and how much Scola means to their success.

And I know Scola fans who hated the trade are continually obligated to act like it was the worst trade in history and plaster his mundane boxscores(bettered by Matt Bonner) any time he doesn't completely suck..and give him total credit for a team achievement...



Seriously...typical of the covetnous nature of Spurfans...he wouldn't be putting up those numbers here, because he wouldn"t be getting the minutes...


And we all know what you guys do to players....who don't get minutes. They suck...remember, Beno?

[timvp]

So Scola > Parker, Manu and Duncan?

I mean...they've never won 20 games in a row.

Scola better than Shaq? He's never won 20.

Props on your logical reasoning

And I know Scola fans who hated the trade are continually obligated to act like it was the worst trade in history and plaster his mundane boxscores(bettered by Matt Bonner) any time he doesn't completely suck..and give him total credit for a team achievement...

You already lost. Give up.

[whottt]

How have I lost? Because the same guys who coveted Brent Barry before he was a Spur now covet Luis Scola?


How about that Beno...look at his stats, damn, wouldn't it be awesome to have him on this team, timvp?

[Holt's Cat]

So giving Scola up for nothing to a division rival isn't a horrible trade? The Spurs got a low 2nd round pick and a Big Fat Greek Pussy in return. Some haul.

[remingtonbo2001]

@ people bumping this thread.

I don't know what was the exact reason but Spurs didn't want to sign Scola.
After that, their only solution was to trade him and they have traded him for the best offer they got.

They preferred cap space and Splitter.

Money + Splitter > Scola

[Holt's Cat]

How have I lost? Because the same guys who coveted Brent Barry before he was a Spur now covet Luis Scola?


How about that Beno...look at his stats, damn, wouldn't it be awesome to have him on this team, timvp?

It would have been nice to have received something of value in return instead of a top 50 protected pick from the league's 2nd worse team.

[timvp]

How have I lost? Because the same guys who coveted Brent Barry before he was a Spur now covet Luis Scola?


How about that Beno...look at his stats, damn, wouldn't it be awesome to have him on this team, timvp?

I don't even think you know what you are talking about.

[Holt's Cat]

They preferred cap space and Splitter.

Money + Splitter > Scola

What cap space?

[whottt]

What if it was the best offer on the table, and least damaging situation to trade him to?

What if he was threatening to walk?


What if they thought they had a legit chance of signing Vaginis?



What offers were better...


You really want him in Cleveland instead?


I don't.

[whottt]

I don't even think you know what you are talking about.

Read the forum much?

[whottt]

I don't even think you know what you are talking about.

My bad...I should have said, the dude that coveted Matt Bonner before he was a Spur, now covets Luis Scola.

[timvp]

What if it was the best offer on the table, and least damaging situation to trade him to?

What if he was threatening to walk?


What if they thought they had a legit chance of signing Vaginis?

ROFL times three. I can't even rank those lame "what ifs".

Bottomline is Scola is playing better than almost any of us expected. I personally thought there was a chanced that he'd be a hollow stat but he's actually a winning player who does whatever is needed to get a W.

The Spurs gambled and lost. You can try to save yourself by mucking the thread but even you know the trade was a bad one.

[whottt]

Bottomline is Scola is playing better than almost any of us expected.

If he? LOL you predicted he'd put up 16 and 6 and I predicted he'd do 9 and 4? Is he really proving us wrong? Either of us?

I personally thought there was a chanced that he'd be a hollow stat but he's actually a winning player who does whatever is needed to get a W.

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Well crap I can tell you he's a smart player who knows where to be on the court, the coach of Team Argentina taught them that well...

That's why he gets his numbers....

That doesn't change my criticisms of him though...

#1. He's an asshole.
#2. He chokes.
#3. He'll never be anything more than a limited role player in the NBA.


We have plenty of #3. That don't need an adjustment period to the NBA, that know the team...etc.




Tell me something...if this team had Scola instead of Matt Bonner...do they still do the trade for Kurt Thomas?

[whottt]

I'd have like to have gotten more for him than we did, as would every single Spurfan.....I've yet to see you prove we could have(in a way that wouldn't hurt our le chances even more).

Much ing about nothing...

[timvp]

I thought you hated Kurt Thomas. You can't all of a sudden like him to use him in your argument. You are the one who says Elson > Thomas ... not to mention Scola > Thomas.

[Holt's Cat]

The Spurs gambled and lost. You can try to save yourself by mucking the thread but even you know the trade was a bad one.

Not only that, they sold him on the cheap to a playoff team in their division.

[whottt]

It would have been nice to have received something of value in return instead of a top 50 protected pick from the league's 2nd worse team.

Adn we're going to collect on that draft now pick aren't we ?


And the Rockets aren't going to win a le


And next year it'll be TMac's turn to get injured


And we've got one better, if not two, younger, bigger prospects in the pipeline.

[whottt]

I swear....I haven't seen Spursfans get this excited about a product of Rick Adelman's system since Hedo Turkoglu...




How about that Brad Miller guy...he puts up 15 9 and 4.

[remingtonbo2001]

The Spurs gambled and lost.

How can you make that judgment? Wasn't Splitter apart of this package? I was under the impression Houston passed up on Tiago, in which we would have discussions with them concerning Scola. Yes, Scola is producing well on a team which desperately needed a strong post presence. Going into the season, we had Fabio, Elson, Bonner, and Horry. All showing promise coming into the season. We also then recieve the rights to a promising prospect in Splitter. Splitter is also considerably younger. I'm not proclaiming Scola is a terrible player. However, I don't think Splitter would be on this team had Scola signed with us. I like his potential more than I like Scola's.

If Scola's game transfered this well, I can't imagine how well Splitter will do.

[whottt]

I thought you hated Kurt Thomas. You can't all of a sudden like him to use him in your argument. You are the one who says Elson > Thomas ... not to mention Scola > Thomas.

What I feel about Thomas is irrelevant...fact of the matter is the Spurs traded for him...I'm just asking you if you think they do that trade if Scola is on the team.

I think yes...

[timvp]

How can you make that judgment? Wasn't Splitter apart of this package? I was under the impression Houston passed up on Tiago, in which we would have discussions with them concerning Scola. Yes, Scola is producing well on a team which desperately needed a strong post presence. Going into the season, we had Fabio, Elson, Bonner, and Horry. All showing promise coming into the season. We also then recieve the rights to a promising prospect in Splitter. Splitter is also considerably younger. I'm not proclaiming Scola is a terrible player. However, I don't think Splitter would be on this team had Scola signed with us. I like his potential more than I like Scola's.

If Scola's game transfered this well, I can't imagine how well Splitter will do.

I'm lost on the point you are making. The Spurs drafted Splitter. And Scola is considered to be just about the best player in Euroleague history. Splitter is pretty good but no one would say he's better than Scola.

[timvp]

What I feel about Thomas is irrelevant...fact of the matter is the Spurs traded for him...I'm just asking you if you think they do that trade if Scola is on the team.

I think yes...

Elson and a pick for Thomas? You do that deal if the team had David Robinson in his prime next to Duncan.

[whottt]

Elson and a pick for Thomas? You do that deal if the team had David Robinson in his prime next to Duncan.

You don't if the other teams hold out for Scola instead....



Look on the bright side...at least GM's won't be gunshy about getting burnt by our FO after this...we might get more on trades in the future.




Still waiting for you to prove we could have gotten more...and please don't say holding on to him would have increased his value...when was the last time the Spurs increased the value of a player they wanted to get rid of in the regular season?

[Bruno]

Spurs haven't signed Scola because they weren't ready to spend $10M.
They offered similar or bigger contracts to Przybilla, Bonner, Oberto and Amir Johnson. They also went after Mourning, Elson and Butler.
Spurs weren't ready to spend $10M on Scola and we likely will never know the reason of that?

And it's way too soon for the "I told you so". Let's wait at least this summer or better next year's summer. There just isn't enough evidence of Scola's being good or bad right now.