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the question is what event triggered the sideways reality? was it the h-bomb, jack's death, some other unidentified event ?
Exactly. When Jack was flying through the air, I was waiting for MIB to dodge him Matrix style.
the question is what event triggered the sideways reality? was it the h-bomb, jack's death, some other unidentified event ?
All of those and everything else. Christian stated the sideways reality was a place they created for themselves to find each other. I took that to mean that every thing they shared together brought them together in that place.
so then the hydrogen bomb did nothing much more than kill juliet who decided to make sure the bomb went off so that she would not have to ever have to reside in the world in which she meets a sawyer who really loves another woman (at least juliet felt this) although it turns out that sawyer and juliet are really eternal loves (as are hugo and libby despite never having had a date).
at what point did LOST become a lifetime movie ?
Love stories were a huge central point in this show because relationships were always central to the show. It started off with the Kate/Sawyer/Jack love triangle but even in the first few seasons you had a lot of relationships such as Sayid/Shannon, Jack/Juliet, Rose/Bernard, Sun/Jin, Mike/Walt, Jack/Christian, Charlie/Claire, Ben/Daughter, Penny/Desmond, Locke/Shannon's Bro (name escapes me right now).
That was a huge central focus on this show and some people didn't always focus on it because there were polar bears and gunfights going on at the same time with a smoke monster flying around but they were always there.
definitely. love was a central theme of the show. the problem is that some of the romance seemed forced or unbelievable. really? libby and hugo? and sawyer and juliet just never did it for me. it seemed forced on us. maybe it was a dante allighieri (sp.?) thing
I thought the majority of relationships on the show were extremely well done. Sawyer and Juliet didn't get enough time, but the scene right before the Hbomb seemed anything but forced to me.
The only thing that was the "afterlife" was the flash sideways...everything else that you saw was real, as well as everything you didn't see (Claire & Kate presumably raising Aaron, Desmond being sent back by Hurley & Ben who protected the island long after Jack's death).
After they all died, they went to this place that would force them to interact and eventually remember the hapiness and love of relationships that fulfilled them. It's a pretty awesome way to show that they found themselves by finding eachother.
Agree with this...and with pretty much everything you've said in this thread.
You're spot on.
and that lack of time made the relationship so unbelievable. one season starts and they just happen to be a couple but she always believed herself to be second choice for sawyer. then we come to find out she is his eternal flame. and what the happened to claudia? all of that tension, the entire struggle sayid goes through to be with her for a lifetime and then he opts out for an eternity with a flaky girl he met on the island ?
Claudia wasn't meant to be with Sayid. If you notice in the sideways time line most of the characters dealt with huge personal struggles. For Sayid it was Claudia and even there he wasn't with her. That tells you all you need to know.
As far as Sawyer and Juliet, they spent years together that wasn't shown. I don't understand why it was so unbelievable that over that time they built a love for each other.
I guess I don't get the huge nitpicking of details over such a complicated show that spanned six years. There were so many characters that I believe they did a fantastic job of wrapping things up. There are inconsistencies and I can see where people would find them, but really to me that is merely an obvious case of seeing the trees while ignoring the forest.
Nadia represents Sayid's life and all the things he couldn't let go. Having her around brings back all the things he hated about himself.
Shannon was notorious for picking the bag that always treated her like crap. Sayid was the one guy that made her feel valuable. She was the the one girl that made Sayid let go of who he was.
lol I called her Claudia.
I was like "who the f* is this Claudia everyone keeps talking about?"
not at all. i think there are plenty of cases where great ideas and shows can get bad at some point. a perfect example would be sequels: godfather III, the second and third matrix, the whole star wars prequel trilogy. and why? because they suddenly throw in relationships that have no content or make no sense in context. that or they start trying to explain too much (e.g., trying to explain what the force is in corporeal terms) or get too didactic as in the end of LOST where the writers felt is was necessary for christian shepard to explain the end to jack (and subsequently us). it also started adding too much such as the temple (this was the equivalent to the whole zion aspect of the second matrix). yes, i get that the whole island of aaron and his disciples was an old testament reference but in the end it was just abandoned. for a team of writers who referenced dostoyevsky they abandoned fyodor's main tenant of writing: too be as precise as possible with the text and the story line and characters.
don't get me wrong. i am only pointing on some flaws with the ending. a character driven show suddenly just emerged on one character. still, in the end, we had a show that referenced philosophy, ethics, spirituality, love and faith. in these times of flat out narcissism/nihilism flooding our overabundance of reality shows and plots about deception and self-satisfaction is that such a bad thing ? was the ending flawed? sure. but for me, LOST will still reserve its spot in the pantheon of great television.
it, in this thread her name is Claudia
Anyone want to share how they thought it would end or am I the only one?
The writers had Christian explain the situation and people were STILL confused. Imagine if they had left out that little bit of explanation about how it was all real.
I didn't think it was out of place at all...preceded very much by a "sixth sense" type of moment.
Jack: Are you dead?
Christian: Yes
Jack: Then why are you here?
Christian: Why are you here?
Jack: (moment of realization) Because I died too
So good.
it, in this thread her name is Claudia
Anyone want to share how they thought it would end or am I the only one?
i thought it would end with the option for each character to determine the reality that they would wind up in based on the choices they made on their last days of the island.
I honestly had no idea how it would end. I didn't see the Bardo sideline coming. I thought maybe Desmond was going to take them all back to the island and they all pull out Captain Planet like rings and beat smokey with some super hero but yeah. Not so much.
Oh yeah, and the whole series on blue ray for just over 200 bucks strikes me as a fantastic deal. I'll probably end up getting that. Its a bit cheaper on DVD for those without a blue ray player.
that is my point. effective or well written endings should never have to do this.
There's a LOST Support Group on FB. Man, I need it.
Too many questions and too little answers made me stop watching this show after some episodes in the first season. I only watched a few episodes after that. But now, I think I'll end up getting the DVDs to watch the whole show, looks like it's worth it.
The show was extremely well written but as I said above this is not an inaccessible novel but a mainstream TV show. I think they made a huge effort to reach out to people who get the deeper meanings of literature and films but not everyone who watched Lost was in that boat.
I feel that did made it an effective ending. Jack wasn't telling us he died, he's realizing it for himself. The Flash Sideways we saw him in helped us see him working through his issues, with his son and his mentality to always have to fix things/people. In the end, that extreme personality (his flaws) he had made him the person capable of sacrificing his life for his friends and, in actuality, the world. Still, to get to that place of sublime happiness beyond the purgatory, he needed to let go of those traumas and embrace the connections he made with other people. The same goes for all the characters, but obviously their wrap up was a little faster. And I'm totally cool with that, even though I would have bet my house that the LOST writers would have ed everything up in the last 5-6 hours of the show...but they didn't ruin the story, and I still have a house.
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