How did that work against GSW? Ya stfu.That's great, except the Spurs average more drives per game than Cleveland and only about 1 less than Chicago (and they rank top 5 in assists off the drive).
A team with Manu and Parker wouldn't have an offense that's conducive to dribble-drive. Manu pretty much creates everything off the dribble-drive for that Beautiful Game offense you all love so much.
Nope. Tony is well below many starting PGs in seconds per touch.Uhh he plays with a ball dominant PG and stands in the corner how he is told to do most of the game. He makes tough shots on the regular got
http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/pla...ER_TOUCH&dir=1
I told you you're above your paygrade trying to debate with me. You're gonna need a lot more than emoticons.
This mid got is losing it now guys.
Right, but what's the SF's role in the offense? Offense runs through Parker/Manu who are generating those drives, and that requires you to have guys who can knock down shots, make cuts, etc. The three guys you noted are much more ball dominant. Plus, Kawhi is a better post up threat vs. Butler/Hayward (Lebron is still best for position).That's great, except the Spurs average more drives per game than Cleveland and only about 1 less than Chicago (and they rank top 5 in assists off the drive).
Kawhi's not a good enough ballhandler to take those reigns from Parker/Manu. (GS game aside, that was ugly)
So what? He won't turn into LeBron point foward so the Spurs should play him at his strenghts. He's an elite post-up player and mid-range shooter.
You say it isn't going to work but it has worked perfectly for him this season.
I'm getting tired of your "that's an old style" "that won't work in 2016"...the Spurs are playing big when everyone go small, slow the pace when everyone go faster...they can have an elite post-up/mid-range shooter as first option. In fact, this team has been very effective when they feeding Kawhi in that way.
Aldridge needs to continue doing what he does best. Pick n pop mid range jumpers, and follow ups on offensive rebounds. I get him wanting to take advantage of a 6'7 Draymond Green, but that's when he he needs to destroy Green with that fade away jump shot that he would destroy us with when he was in Portland.
Ive never been wrong about kawhi progression as a player tbh. Id take my own words.
It won't because Golden State exists. They just swarm any kind of post offense.
I held out hope that the Spurs would reinvent the wheel again (going big and exploiting the midrange while the league is obsessed with small ball and 3's), but Monday night was a wake up call.
Maybe things will change when they play our squad with Duncan in the lineup, but it's doubtful.
Tony has the highest average dribbles per touch and average seconds per touch on the team by a wide margin on all the starters.
I don't even care about context got. I watch the games. Telling me he is not a ball dominant PG when the team philosophy is pass the ball.
Drive the ball more.
This got wants a super bonner.
I'm out.tired of talking to low IQ got posters.
Just because Parker and Manu are driving doesn't mean Kawhi can't.
And yes, his ballhandling isn't good enough, which is the point I was implying all throughout this thread. You can't be an elite scoring wing these days without being a good ball-handler. So what's left? Turning Kawhi into Kobe Bryant. Heavy isolation in the post and mid range jumpshooting. A style of play that won't work today (it might work for Kawhi's individual numbers, so I understand why his fanboys clamor for it).
Except that Kawhi has the clear advantage in the post over their wings, and when doubled him last game, it resulted in points for other Spurs players.
We had this talk before, it's pretty obvious that no one wants to post him every possessions but he's handling the double teams so well and also, getting calls...
I'd like the Spurs to exploit it more often against them, instead of seeing Parker/Mills/Manu being neutralized in most plays. Also, exploit Kawhi's mid-range j -and LMA-, not many teams attack the Warriors from mid-range...I'd love to see how they react to it.
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Are you re ed? (yes, you are)Tony has the highest average dribbles per touch and average seconds per touch on the team by a wide margin on all the starters.
I don't even care about context got. I watch the games. Telling me he is not a ball dominant PG when the team philosophy is pass the ball.
Of course the ing point guard is going to lead the team in dribbles and seconds per touch.
Dabom owning s per usual.
LMAO
Not saying the Spurs will beat Warriors, but damn one game has got you ready to jump ship......
I'll give the best coach in basketball and a veteran, poised, championship tested team the benefit of the doubt until they either win 16 games in the playoffs or lose 4 in a series.....
No. If that would work for Kawhi, it would work for the team. A lot better than having him passive, parking, and waiting in the corner...
Are midnight and ceperez the same guy? Serious question.
Nothing I said implies I'm jumping ship.
But there is no denying we are overmatched.
It barely worked when Kobe was at his peak. It's no secret why his metrics are rather poor compared to other greats.
Posting wings and mid-range shooting are historically inefficient options.
Kawhi parks himself as much as Pop parks him.
It might not work for the league, but it IS working for him. Top in TS% with usage over 20 and 200 minutes played (so I could include Boban) ... 119 players qualify:
Curry
Boban
Re
Durant
Kawhi (Simmons is actually ahead of Kawhi but slightly under 20 usage ... pretty impressive)
Kanter
Harden
Thompson
Millsap
Towns
That's pretty good for a guy who just posts up and takes mid range shots. It also shows you can score efficiently in a myriad of ways from the names on that list. Would it be nice if Kawhi took his high 80s FT shooting to the line more often? Yes. But I also prefer not to have him play recklessly and potentially get hurt.
Simon, Doņa Lena and Lamalcus... all great players.
I know it's working for him.
But Kawhi is going to need to go above and beyond if we're to beat the Warriors, 30-35 point average over a series. You need a dribble-drive or dribble-shoot game in the mold of Curry, Durant to average those kind of numbers. Kawhi has neither. He can't carry the scoring load like Curry, Lebron, Durant in that manner, which is why it's important to balance the amount touches to our top 3-4 scorers (not all perfectly equally, of course). People wanting other players reduced so Kawhi can average pretty PPG numbers are missing the forest for the trees.
Kobe taking +20FGA, Kawhi barely gets 12...But if the team increases his opportunities a bit more, like I said before 15-16 FGA, he won't become that inefficient...
Not sure since most of plays where Pop/Parker/Manu calls a pick and roll, Kawhi isn't involved in the play and has to wait in the corner for the next...Kawhi parks himself as much as Pop parks him.
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