Raymond Green is overrated AF

[daslicer]

Raymond can get away anytime, there was another play during the first half that got away with murder, it was a block on Krabbe I think, slaps elbows, wrists and nobody says a thing.

This is why I have a hard time respecting Draymond defensively. He's allowed by the refs to hold, grab, hand check, elbow with out fouls being called against him. Essentially he's allowed to play 90's defense which normally I wouldn't have a problem with other then the fact it has been outlawed by the rules.

[dabom]

I'm talking about the OP "Raymond Green is overrated AF".

He is. And he would get exposed on any other team.

[dabom]

Besides one game. I have yet to see the Warriors stop Kawhi. EVER.

Isn't raymond supposed to defend the 1-5? Why isn't he ever on Kawhi?

[spurraider21]

I'm talking about the OP "Raymond Green is overrated AF".

He is. And he would get exposed on any other team.

you make no sense. who is overrating him by calling him a first option? who has called him a better first option than kawhi? who are the people overrating him? and how badly are they overrating him, specifically?

[Mikeanaro]

I'm debating his shooting percentages as a role player and adjusting them for a first option. Dude would be a bum.

He is a glorified role player, maybe someday he will be the starter on a lesser team and will be totally exposed, you must see players on both sides to judge and as far as things goes now Ray is being saved because he is playing for the ref loved team.
On other team he could be a Perkins, or a knucklehead like Stephenson... bum.

[dabom]

you make no sense. who is overrating him by calling him a first option? who has called him a better first option than kawhi? who are the people overrating him? and how badly are they overrating him, specifically?

I'm debating his "allstar" spot. Dude is a good role player on the warriors. Would get exposed on any other team.

[dabom]

He is a glorified role player, maybe someday he will be the starter on a lesser team and will be totally exposed, you must see players on both sides to judge and as far as things goes now Ray is being saved because he is playing for the ref loved team.
On other team he could be a Perkins, or a knucklehead like Stephenson... bum.

Definitely overrated by vanilla mainstream casual fans.

[siraulo23]

Draymond Green is a beast, he a complete defensive player. Good fundamentals, great perimeter defender, rim protector and post defender.

[FkLA]

My perspective is that he's a top 3 defender in the league along with kawhi and Gobert

That alone makes him all star worthy. He's not dead weight offensively like a Tony Allen or Shane barrier. He's a net positive on offense too and the playmaking at his position is a good weapon.

His PPG and shooting percentages are pretty Tony Allen-esque. I just don't see how you are a shoe-in with those numbers. The playmaking is certainly a good weapon but again inflated by the weapons he has in GS. Gobert didn't make the all-star team btw. He's good but there's definitely 12 western conference players I would take over Donkey in a given year.

[ElNono]

don't get the Leon Powe hate either... has as many rings, looked like an all star on a stacked team too, shut down MVPau... both role players in the right place at the right time...

[ElNono]

In Leon Powe's favor, he didn't cost his team a championship and didn't need to act like a little either, tbh...

[spurraider21]

His PPG and shooting percentages are pretty Tony Allen-esque. I just don't see how you are a shoe-in with those numbers. The playmaking is certainly a good weapon but again inflated by the weapons he has in GS. Gobert didn't make the all-star team btw. He's good but there's definitely 12 western conference players I would take over Donkey in a given year.

those shooting numbers are just this season, though. look at the two prior

[spurraider21]

In Leon Powe's favor, he didn't cost his team a championship and didn't need to act like a little either, tbh...

[Clipper Nation]

Or 10.2 pts on 41.8% shooting which was his season average.

He's a badass defender. His playmaking is pretty good, but obviously aided by the weapons he has in GS. He's not gifted enough offensively to sustain that level of playmaking in a more normal setting, imo. Really good player but definitely overhyped--don't see how he's considered an undisputed all-star with those offensive numbers or how he's such an overwhelming favorite over Gobert for DPOY.

Draymond's only a "badass defender" because the refs make it that way. He gets away with far-and-away more contact than anyone else in the league.

[ElNono]

How does that answer the fact that Leon Powe didn't cost his team a championship nor he needed to act like a little ?

[spurraider21]

How does that answer the fact that Leon Powe didn't cost his team a championship nor he needed to act like a little ?

yeah, i'm sorry, you've got to be impactful enough to actually cost a team a championship. nobody says shane heal cost the spurs a chip either

[UZER]

This is why I have a hard time respecting Draymond defensively. He's allowed by the refs to hold, grab, hand check, elbow with out fouls being called against him. Essentially he's allowed to play 90's defense which normally I wouldn't have a problem with other then the fact it has been outlawed by the rules.

Draymond's only a "badass defender" because the refs make it that way. He gets away with far-and-away more contact than anyone else in the league.

To add to that, he also gets away with blatant screaming in officials face after every damn call against him. It one thing to argue calls. It another to point in their faces and scream right at them, and have them actually walk far away just to avoid given him the T's.

It's WWE level enabling.

[FkLA]

those shooting numbers are just this season, though. look at the two prior

Well even if that was the case he was still considered an undisputed all-star this year, why? The hype machine.

And I think last year was more out of the norm for him than this year. Career year last year but has seemingly come back down to earth. 42% this year, 44% two years ago, 43.5% for his career. That's Tony Allen-esque.

[ElNono]

yeah, i'm sorry, you've got to be impactful enough to actually cost a team a championship. nobody says shane heal cost the spurs a chip either

DeJuan Blair cost the Mavs a series too, tbh... 'impactful' is relative... just sayin'...

[spurraider21]

Well even if that was the case he was still considered an undisputed all-star this year, why? The hype machine.

And I think last year was more out of the norm for him than this year. Career year last year but has seemingly come back down to earth. 42% this year, 44% two years ago, 43.5% for his career. That's Tony Allen-esque.

tony allen was a shooting guard who couldn't shoot and didn't really contribute much else (outside of layups in transition or cuts because he had decent athleticism) . green contributes with playmaking even if he isn't shooting well, and he plays the 4, where shooting isn't as big a premium. i dont think they're comparable at all offensively

i agree that his shooting numbers last year (particularly from 3) were out of the norm, but it's reasonable for him to settle at somewhere around 45% fg and 35% 3pt, which isn't bad considering everything else he brings to the offense

[spurraider21]

DeJuan Blair cost the Mavs a series too, tbh... 'impactful' is relative... just sayin'...

i also know (or hope) you aren't serious with leon powe comparisons, so i'm not really thinkin too much into it

[dabom]

Tony allen never had Goat shooters like curry klay and durant.

[spurraider21]

Tony allen never had Goat shooters like curry klay and durant.

he was on the boston team with ray allen and paul pierce

[dabom]

he was on the boston team with ray allen and paul pierce

Comparing antiquated 3 point shooters with Curry, Durant, and Klay.

[Clipper Nation]

Comparing antiquated 3 point shooters with Curry, Durant, and Klay.

I'd still take "antiquated" Ray Allen over known playoff chokers like Stephanie, Durbeta and Klaynus, tbh.