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sPurS aRe so GoOd wheRe WIll mInUtES Be For Kd aNd DyLaN?
I don't blame KD in 2023 for wanting the Suns. They made the Finals in 2021 and he thought he was the missing piece of the puzzle. Most of that Finals run was driven by CP3 so when they traded him for Beal and than Ayton for Nurkic, Allen is when the ship started to sink. Spurs are a smarter franchise than Suns and Nets so they won't make stupid mistakes like that. I hope he wants to come here and will only extend with Spurs.
sPurS aRe so GoOd wheRe WIll mInUtES Be For Kd aNd DyLaN?
Is there a realistic chance of CP3 coming back to ring chase with pal KD? I know there is very little minutes but if he’s willing to come from the bench and more of a playing coach. It would be nice to send CP3 off with a ring.
Let's just say when the dust settles and KD does end up joining the Spurs. Since he only has one year left of his contract, is the mentality by the team to bring him back on a cheaper contract? Because if not, that'd be a tough extension to take in.
It’s not impossible for KD to help the Spurs bring solid role players. Players know how Spurs do the right things for their players and there are expectations from the players to leave their egos behind. I know Pop is no longer the HC but it’s still going to be the Spurs culture in San Antonio.
And that's why cp3 started in all games last year despite Spurs already had fox. It's to show Spurs take care of their players. There's good and bad from it but that's the brand Spurs is building
And that's why cp3 started in all games last year despite Spurs already had fox. It's to show Spurs take care of their players. There's good and bad from it but that's the brand Spurs is building
Yeah two things I’m worried most about if trade goes through is 1) his extension $ and 2) making sure he doesn’t play too much iso. Would be a good test of the Mitch + Pop dynamic, if it ever becomes a problem. I have faith that it will all work out though - $, basketball X’s and O’s, and spurs culture.
Doubtful. His whole thing last year was “I wanna hoop”, and with Fox, Castle, and Harper, that WOULD be too many PGs.
That Beal trade was just so horrendous: 5 FRPs for a 30 yr old player whose raw stats routinely were far ahead of his impact stats. Adding another guy who needed shots in addition to Durant and Booker was such a bad idea, plus he's a slightly undersized SG not know for defense-- historically, a bad archetype. That trade shows the dangers of going all in on a piece that is obviously not a high impact guy. They would've had so much more success chasing a guy like Caruso, who would've been cheaper and more impactful. Phoenix saw the Lakers make the mistake of losing Caruso in favor of a bad fit like Westbrook, and then replicated it. It amazes me that owners and GMs are still blinded by raw stats from high salary players with exceedingly mediocre fits. It's the worst mistake you can make in the modern NBA.
And another difference is that KD does not actually suck on D, he is above average. And he grades as way above average in foul rate, isolation and pick&roll D. He's above average in PPP and Stl%. As a shot-blocker (Blk%) he's ranked 41st, 23rd, 30th, and 20th the past 4 yrs, and most of the guys above him are 15 to 20min a game back-up center D focused guys.
His % was tied for 20th 5 yrs ago, but didn't play enough to qualify. He is a very good to elite shot blocker, you can expect him to be top 30 in the league in Blk%. And he's done this as an O-focus, high usage, elite O player, which makes his D even more impressive.
His D has been much better since moving to the Big W/4 position and he does it without fouling much. He has learned to positioned himself correctly and use his length, he is not a below average defender. That is simply not true.
Since when are they pals? Chris Paul got traded from the Suns and in a game last season, seems that KD had a heated exchange with him. I don't think they're friends at all.
Bill Simmons opining that this trade is already agreed upon and just waiting til the draft to be announced
Yup, Wemby ain't All-NBA. Luka ain't All-NBA. Simple, context is stupid, surface is what counts, don't try to understand the why.
Duncan was way overrated defensively, not even one DPOY. Marc Gasol was clearly a more impactful defender, simple.
I wouldn’t take much on that. Both are super compe ive and expected to act in the heat of the moment. But CP3 admired KD and welcomed his addition to the Suns, having played with KD multiple times in All-Star and Olympics. I just thought there’s something special going on in the Spurs, planets seem to be aligning and it’s not the right time to leave. I’m sure the Spurs would welcome CP3 back IF for a lesser role. I think it’s ceremonial even to pass the baton.
“I wouldn't be surprised if KD to the Spurs is done already and they just haven't announced it,” Simmons said on “The Bill Simmons Podcast.” “Basically, they've agreed on specifics, just announce it on the week of the draft. This goes back to the Giannis thing. I think they trade for KD because it just costs less. They'll be able to be real compe ive and maybe go a couple of rounds in the playoffs, but they're also going to keep the No. 2 pick and do it that way, which is my prediction.”
I don't see why they would wait to announce it though. Like what benefit is there to waiting to make an announcement
For the sake of discussion, what if the trade doesn't include Vassell?
We obviously want him gone because he's had enough chances to prove his worth and failed, but maybe Wright still rates him.
As I said many times, Vassell would require a third team in the trade because Suns don't need or want him.
Suns have just 10 players on the roster for the next season, 12 if they use #29 and #52 in the draft, 11 without KD.
I think they'd rather consider something like Barnes, Keldon, Jeremy, Wesley, #14 and a bunch of SRPs than getting Vassell.
As much as I want to get rid of Vassell, I also wouldn't mind not having to fit Jeremy's flaws into the roster.
Sounds like this is all but certain now, KD will be a spur.
The trade needs to be either Vassell/Keldon or Vassell/Barnes for salary reasons. People edabouthimbeing overpaid, but that contract will be the key to getting KD for a mid first rounder.
That would be good, because Vassell is the best player out of all those you listed. I wouldn't mind giving him another year to at minimum up his trade value.
If #14 is gone. I rather trade Vassell and #38 to get to the 1st round and pick a defensive big, maybe Reynaud?
I've seen enough of Bright Wright to fully trust him as GM. If he decides to actually get KD, I trust that he wouldn't overpay for him with an extension. Loves Barnes, but Vassel/Barnes won't move the needle much.
Why? Suns have enough roster spots open and those 4 players I mentioned would combine for $49M. We could theoretically add another one if needed.
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