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    That's interesting, thanks for posting.

    Young is basically saying "I want to stay but you have to put a good team around me". It's a kinda similar talk to what Lillard said a year ago. When he saw what Portland did in the draft and the FA market, he asked to be traded. In Atlanta case, a big factor will be their willingness to pay the luxury tax. If they don't want to pay it, they won't even be able to re-sign Saddiq Bey this summer.

    Hawks won't trade Young unless he asks to be traded. Young clearly isn't asking to be traded right now but he is putting pressure on the ownership and FO with a departure threat.
    Bey is the pickup we need from Atlanta. Any competent point guard can thrive with Victor.

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    That's interesting, thanks for posting.

    Young is basically saying "I want to stay but you have to put a good team around me". It's a kinda similar talk to what Lillard said a year ago. When he saw what Portland did in the draft and the FA market, he asked to be traded. In Atlanta case, a big factor will be their willingness to pay the luxury tax. If they don't want to pay it, they won't even be able to re-sign Saddiq Bey this summer.

    Hawks won't trade Young unless he asks to be traded. Young clearly isn't asking to be traded right now but he is putting pressure on the ownership and FO with a departure threat.
    Young's problem is he ain't Lillard. There's no real market for Trae Young. Possibly Los Angeles, but that's doubtful, and possibly San Antonio, but I doubt that, too.

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    Bey is the pickup we need from Atlanta. Any competent point guard can thrive with Victor.
    Bey is a poor shooter. If we get him and Trae together with Sochan, that’s a really bad shooting team around Wemby.

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    Young's problem is he ain't Lillard. There's no real market for Trae Young. Possibly Los Angeles, but that's doubtful, and possibly San Antonio, but I doubt that, too.
    I'm not sure what would be Young trade market. He is for sure a polarizing player. For some he is one of the best young PG in the league. For some he the kind of player, with poor defense and inefficient offense, around who you can't play successful basketball.

    I have no idea how he is viewed by NBA front offices including Spurs' one.

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    I'm not sure what would be Young trade market. He is for sure a polarizing player. For some he is one of the best young PG in the league. For some he the kind of player, with poor defense and inefficient offense, around who you can't play successful basketball.

    I have no idea how he is viewed by NBA front offices including Spurs' one.
    And how do u see him personally?

    too much of a risk?

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    Young's problem is he ain't Lillard. There's no real market for Trae Young. Possibly Los Angeles, but that's doubtful, and possibly San Antonio, but I doubt that, too.
    Orlando will definitely make an offer if he's available.
    Jazz could do it if Ainge decides not to tank, but to build around Markkanen. I think this is the summer when they either make some winning trades or get rid of Markkanen. Treadmilling like they currently are is pointless.
    Since it's Ainge, it's more likely they blow it up before two strong drafts.

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    Orlando will definitely make an offer if he's available.
    Jazz could do it if Ainge decides not to tank, but to build around Markkanen. I think this is the summer when they either make some winning trades or get rid of Markkanen. Treadmilling like they currently are is pointless.
    Since it's Ainge, it's more likely they blow it up before two strong drafts.
    God I hope you're right about Utah blowing it up. I'd offer the Spurs and Raps picks for Lauri and the Bulls pick. Hawks picks aren't for sale because their earmarked for Trae.

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    And how do u see him personally?

    too much of a risk?
    Well, I really like him and I would welcome a trade for him. Young and Wembanyama would be great.

    Saying that, it's just my personal opinion and people not liking him have valid points. I would fully understand if Spurs weren't interested in him at all.

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    God I hope you're right about Utah blowing it up. I'd offer the Spurs and Raps picks for Lauri and the Bulls pick. Hawks picks aren't for sale because their earmarked for Trae.
    I didn't realize he's got just one more year left on his deal.
    If that's an offer they'd accept, with Collins also going the other way, I'd do it in an instant.
    But then again, Spurs would have to give him a max extension right away.

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    Well, I really like him and I would welcome a trade for him. Young and Wembanyama would be great.

    Saying that, it's just my personal opinion and people not liking him have valid points. I would fully understand if Spurs weren't interested in him at all.
    Thx. I value ur pov and hadn’t seen it yet

    so you’re in the « speed up the process » camp I assume ?

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    I didn't realize he's got just one more year left on his deal.
    If that's an offer they'd accept, with Collins also going the other way, I'd do it in an instant.
    But then again, Spurs would have to give him a max extension right away.
    It would probably cost Dev plus Spurs and Raps pick along with the Spurs taking back the final two years of the John Collins contract. Collins and Dev make the same salary next year and the Spurs could absorb Lauri's last year with their cap space.

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    It would probably cost Dev plus Spurs and Raps pick along with the Spurs taking back the final two years of the John Collins contract. Collins and Dev make the same salary next year and the Spurs could absorb Lauri's last year with their cap space.
    We're talking about Markkanen with one year left on his deal, not prime Dirk.
    I'd rather have Naz Reid for PF position.
    Can shoot, younger, good defender, great contract, can play the backup C in smaller lineups.

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    We're talking about Markkanen with one year left on his deal, not prime Dirk.
    I'd rather have Naz Reid for PF position.
    Can shoot, younger, good defender, great contract, can play the backup C in smaller lineups.
    Lauri's averaged 24/8.5 the past two seasons shooting 39% from three while shooting 49% overall. He's not too far off prime Dirk these past two years.

    His Win Share Per 48 the past two seasons is equal to career average Kobe Bryant.

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    Lauri's averaged 24/8.5 the past two seasons shooting 39% from three while shooting 49% overall. He's not too far off prime Dirk these past two years.

    His Win Share Per 48 the past two seasons is equal to career average Kobe Bryant.
    He'll be a 27 year old on expiring contract with not a single playoff game by the time next season starts.
    If they want Devin, I wouldn't give any valuable picks with him, especially not top5. They can have Keldon and Collins to pair with their Collins as turd tower tank commanders.

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    I’m not moving Devin + picks unless the package is for a tier 1 star, and i don’t see the spurs doing that

    young is not among them. Nor Lauri

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    He'll be a 27 year old on expiring contract with not a single playoff game by the time next season starts.
    If they want Devin, I wouldn't give any valuable picks with him, especially not top5. They can have Keldon and Collins to pair with their Collins as turd tower tank commanders.
    Lauri's game will age very well given his size and shooting ability. A Wemby/Lauri/Trae big three would be a perfect on offense.

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    Lauri's averaged 24/8.5 the past two seasons shooting 39% from three while shooting 49% overall. He's not too far off prime Dirk these past two years.

    His Win Share Per 48 the past two seasons is equal to career average Kobe Bryant.
    Ending contract who, by virtue of his current bargain deal, won’t extend as a part of any trade. You pay for a one year rental, accordingly.

    Those WS/48s are an aberration to the rest of his career, and could easily be a function of being in a large role on a team with no expectations or limits on players touches. It would be much smarter to expect Chicago and Cleveland Markkanen to re-emerge.

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    Lauri's game will age very well given his size and shooting ability. A Wemby/Lauri/Trae big three would be a perfect on offense.
    I didn't say his game won't age well, I just don't think a player with zero playoff games should cost as much as a proven star.
    Trading for both Trae and Lauri would mean that Spurs have no assets left and it would leave us with more or less zero useful players in SG/SF positions.

    I wouldn't go for both Trae and Lauri. Either or.
    But as the time goes on, I'm leaning towards not trading for a star just yet.

    Celtics won't be able to extend Derrick, just give them their swap back. If they don't win a ring this year they'll surely want to make moves again.
    Then as I already said Naz Reid because TWolves are also in cap situation.
    And one of Trey Murphy or Herb Jones because they're more or less the same play, Pelicans already have Ingram and they need improvements in other positions.

    Derrick-Devin-Herb-Naz-Wemby.
    That's GOAT defensive team potential if we talk modern game and all of them can shoot on high level.

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    Ending contract who, by virtue of his current bargain deal, won’t extend as a part of any trade. You pay for a one year rental, accordingly.

    Those WS/48s are an aberration to the rest of his career, and could easily be a function of being in a large role on a team with no expectations or limits on players touches. It would be much smarter to expect Chicago and Cleveland Markkanen to re-emerge.
    Yeah or maybe Lauri's a late bloomer like so many people want Dev to be.

    This deal would be contingent on Lauri being open to extension which the Spurs could front load so when they have to pay Wemby Lauri's salary will drop significantly.

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    Lauri is really good - there is no reason for anyone to hate on him... but you aren't getting him cheap because Ainge s over everyone he deals with. The fact you can't extend Lauri combined with Ainge's shark maneuvers make him non-attainable via trade.

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    I didn't say his game won't age well, I just don't think a player with zero playoff games should cost as much as a proven star.
    Trading for both Trae and Lauri would mean that Spurs have no assets left and it would leave us with more or less zero useful players in SG/SF positions.

    I wouldn't go for both Trae and Lauri. Either or.
    But as the time goes on, I'm leaning towards not trading for a star just yet.

    Celtics won't be able to extend Derrick, just give them their swap back. If they don't win a ring this year they'll surely want to make moves again.
    Then as I already said Naz Reid because TWolves are also in cap situation.
    And one of Trey Murphy or Herb Jones because they're more or less the same play, Pelicans already have Ingram and they need improvements in other positions.

    Derrick-Devin-Herb-Naz-Wemby.
    That's GOAT defensive team potential if we talk modern game and all of them can shoot on high level.
    Spurs will be first era Cleveland Lebron next season where their star player is so good their picks will no longer be very good. Same thing happened in Dallas with Luka.

    If Trea stays in Atlanta those picks hover in the 8-10 range with the Spurs and Bulls pick in the 12-20 range. Not sure why people have such a hard-on for these picks especially with Wright drafting.

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    Spurs will be first era Cleveland Lebron next season where their star player is so good their picks will no longer be very good. Same thing happened in Dallas with Luka.

    If Trea stays in Atlanta those picks hover in the 8-10 range with the Spurs and Bulls pick in the 12-20 range. Not sure why people have such a hard-on for these picks especially with Wright drafting.
    I said many times giving Hawks their picks back for Trae would be a fair deal, with Keldon and Collins to match salaries.
    If they want something ridiculous like five first-rounders, then they're happy to look for those somewhere else.

    And those players I mentioned would cost a FRP each.

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    I said many times giving Hawks their picks back for Trae would be a fair deal, with Keldon and Collins to match salaries.
    If they want something ridiculous like five first-rounders, then they're happy to look for those somewhere else.

    And those players I mentioned would cost a FRP each.
    I agree the Hawks can have all their firsts back plus Keldon while taking on some dead weight in Zollins. They can also have the Hornets fake first back to to save face.

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    Bey is a poor shooter. If we get him and Trae together with Sochan, that’s a really bad shooting team around Wemby.
    Sir, jones is not going to be your pg moving forward ( poor vision / dribbling/ shooting ) as a starter. Bey and Sochan can coexist in the same lineup. If you add Young look out!

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    I didn't realize he's got just one more year left on his deal.
    If that's an offer they'd accept, with Collins also going the other way, I'd do it in an instant.
    But then again, Spurs would have to give him a max extension right away.
    not sure the spurs should be maxing a guy who spent most of his career averaging 15 and 7. That would be like maxing the atlanta version of John Collins

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