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6 months after it, the Scola trade doesn't look that bad.
Wake me up if it changes.
Just go out and get Walter Hermann. Surely a trade with the Pistons makes sense. It's out of the divison and they are both overloaded with talent. Both teams can address weaknesses.
6 months after it, the Scola trade doesn't look that bad.
Wake me up if it changes.
well Bruno,tell me what Elson,Bonner or Even Ian Were able to do to help the Spurs front line,and them go look at Scola's numbers,and most important,his numbers in the last 20 games or so,and them comeback and tell me that the trade still doesn't look bad.
6 months after it, the Scola trade doesn't look that bad.
Wake me up if it changes.
Right now,I would trade back Scola for Elson,Bonner,Ian and a draft pick.
I wouldn't.
Look at the whole picture about the Scola trade :
- Spurs were right about Butler, he was worthless. Teams sell first round pick for $3M, Scola has helped Spurs to save $4.7M. $4.7M and a second round wasn't a that abd return for Scola.
- Rockets are far from being the most dangerous team in the west. Trading with them wasn't a big deal.
- Rockets could have spend their MLE on a player like Joe Smith. Scola doesn't help them more than him.
- Scola hasn't been good enough to make the trade bad. It could change but Scola's performances aren't good enough to turn the trade into a really bad one.
The only thing you could wonder is if Spurs were right to sign Bonner instead of Scola.
First, it's not really related to the Scola trade.
Second, Spurs will need Bonner's shooting when Horry will retire.
Third, while Scola has been better this year than Bonner you had to consider that Scola is in a perfect situation with Rockets while Bonner is behind Horry, a 7 times NBA champion.
[QUOTE=Bruno]I wouldn't.
I know that,that's why I always said,It sould've been Butler+Elson or Bonner or Ian's rights, instead of Butler+Scola's rights.Look at the whole picture about the Scola trade :
- Spurs were right about Butler, he was worthless. Teams sell first round pick for $3M, Scola has helped Spurs to save $4.7M. $4.7M and a second round wasn't a that abd return for Scola.
Bottom line:Bad move.
.- Rockets are far from being the most dangerous team in the west. Trading with them wasn't a big deal
They're like 6 games behind us right now,not that far.
Joe Smith is about 10 yrs older tham Scola,So while Scola is helping them right now,He'll keep helping the Rockets in years to come,Joe Smith was not gonna be able to do that.- Rockets could have spend their MLE on a player like Joe Smith. Scola doesn't help them more than him.
Good move for the Rockets.
Let's take a look again at Bonner's , Elson's and even Fabricio's numbers and compare them with Scola's.- Scola hasn't been good enough to make the trade bad. It could change but Scola's performances aren't good enough to turn the trade into a really bad one.
They were wrong,real wrong,no doubt about it.The only thing you could wonder is if Spurs were right to sign Bonner instead of Scola.
Ok,in Bonner's next life,right?Spurs will need Bonner's shooting
In any situation,I would take a natural winner to replace another natural winner,regardless of the 3 pt shooting %.Third, while Scola has been better this year than Bonner you had to consider that Scola is in a perfect situation with Rockets while Bonner is behind Horry, a 7 times NBA champion.
Of course Scola wasn't gonna provide the Spurs with a long range,but He would've been able to do all the things the actual Spurs big outside Duncan can't do.
No matter how you see it,it's still a bad trade,real bad.
Isn't Russia pretty good too? USA will not have a cakewalk. these olympic basketball will be must see tv
good call given that Scola has played 0 playoff games
that's true,but He's played a bunch of playoffs games in Euroleague,ACB league,and finals games with the Arg.Nat.Team.good call given that Scola has played 0 playoff games
The guy is use to deal with pressure.Not a big deal for him at all.
Now,when Horry retires,you would give the last shot to Bonner??????
The only trade spur could have made was Butler + first round pick for nothing, then signing Scola instead of Bonner.
I rather have Bonner + a first round pick than Scola.
Fantasy basketball, nice way to judge a player.
Just give Bonner regular playtime like Scola and he will put similar numbers.
FYI, Scola's PER is 15.0. Bonner PER in his rookie season was 14.7.
Scola's number are far from being impressive.
Scola isn't a natural winner or a big game guy. You shouldn't have followed him in Europe.
I've said since day one that Scola was easily a better all around player than Bonner but as a Spurs fan you should know the value of a role player.
Bonner will have a role on this team when Horry will be gone. It's far from sure that Scola could have found his niche with Spurs.
The value of a basketball team isn't the sum of its talents. Spurs have won some les without begin the most talented team in the league.
Actually 3 games but we will keep rocking with Scola baby!!
The fact is:
Between seasons a lot of people sayed, Scola don´t proved anything in the NBA
Now with 40 games in the season, Scola is ahead of Bonner in Points, rebounds, Assists, and Steals
Last Ten: 11.1 Points and 6.2 Boards
Last 5: 10.8 and 7.0
As starter: 11.8 and 5.3
He is shooting over 50%
He have the Oberto´s numbers in Rebounds
With the season averages, not the last games, we only have 4 players of the spurs with more points and only Duncan with more rebounds
He´s in the first year in the league
He have better numbers than Manu´s 1st year
He´s in the All-Star Rookie team
And he is playing with T-Mac, who never pass the ball, and Yao
If he can sus ute Yao, he can Sus ute Duncan
With Duncan playing 35 minutes very game, Scola can replace him the other 13 minutes
And if he can play with Yao, he can play with Duncan, 8-10 Minutes
That sounds very good for me, if with that minutes can Score 8 and 5 is a nice sign
Bonner is taking the same money and he´s in Pop doghouse: Bad Move
I sayed, before season, he´s at least a lottery Pick value, probably not 1-5, but 6-10 yes
And we trade him, for a second round Pick ĦĦĦĦĦĦĦĦĦĦ
You can say, with that move we are under the Luxury Tax and Bla bla bla
We are talking about Basketball, not Business
The Spurs for only a pair of millions, can sign a breat player
If i can sign Lebron James for 20 millions, is a very good sign, but i must to pay Luxury
Probably we can make the same trade, with Booner and Buttler for Spanoulis and a second Draft Pick
[QUOTE=Bruno]
Scola isn't a natural winner or a big game guy. You shouldn't have followed him in Europe.
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mannnnnnnnnnn u have to be kidding right?
please tell me that you are kidding becouse say that scola its not a winner ..man?
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=7377
This is exactly what the Houston Rockets were hoping for when they dealt Vasillis Spanoulis to the San Antonio Spurs for the rights to Luis Scola.
The one thing that's been missing from the Rockets' attack during the Yao Ming Era is a true power forward. They've made do with guys like Chuck Hayes, who is a hack of a defender and rebounder, but isn't much of a scorer. They experimented with Shane Battier at the four, but that's been little more than a stop-gap approach. They tried using Steve Novak at the four some, but he's much more of a perimeter player and lacks the bulk to compete with other fours. So when Daryl Morey took over the team last summer he made it his top priority to address the power forward position, and his moves are starting to pay big dividends for the Rockets.
Scola is the league's oldest rookie, having already earned some nice accolades for his accomplishments on the international scene. He's been named the top player in Europe, earned the MVP award for his play during last summer's FIBA compe ion, and now he's earned himself a starting spot with the Houston Rockets. It took him a while to adjust to the NBA game - especially the rules regarding what's a foul and what isn't - but he has put in the work, studied tape, and figured out how to stay on the court without picking up as many fouls. As a result, he's been a force at the four.
Head coach Rick Adelman gave him the chance to start during Tracy McGrady's most recent stretch of missed games, and Scola responded. The Rockets are 7-0 since adding him to the starting lineup and he's shooting 60% from the field in that role. Over the last four he's averaging 11.5 points and 7.8 rebounds per game with only 2.25 fouls. He's quickly becoming a player the defense has to respect, which makes the rest of the offense flow much more smoothly. Adelman was highly complimentary of his team's newly-improved passing game before they beat the Blazers on Monday night, and having that scoring threat at the four has been the difference.
As a direct result of Scola's contributions the Houston Rockets have become one of the hottest teams in the NBA. Their seven-game winning streak is second only to Detroit's (8), and they have actually moved into the playoff picture for the first time since early November. They are now 11 games over .500 - by far their best record this season - and have one of the best second-half schedules of any team in the league.
The Houston Rockets finally have a legitimate power forward who can score, rebound, and defend with the best of them. Scola's only going to get better as he becomes more and more comfortable with the NBA game, and that bodes well for the Rockets.
Great a 5, 8 or 10 games sample size and no mention of playing time. Nice ways to twist stats.
Scola's stats per minute aren't that impressive for an offensive minded player.
His defense isn't good. He has even been benched by Rick Adelman because of that.
Scola getting playing time in Houston isn't a sign of him being great. Rockets frontcourt really lack of depth/quality.
Scola has an average to quite good rookie year. Nothing more, nothing less.
Scola isn't just good enough for the moment to make the Scola's trade look significantly bad.
NBA is a business too. Most of the trades are business related before being basketball related. If you don't get that, you will never be able to do a proper analysis of trades.
No, it is impossible because of league rules.
Scola has spend 7 years at a high level in Europe.
Result : 0 Euroleague le and 1 Spanish league le.
Scola wasn't a winner in Europe. He hasn't been able to put his team over the top and struggled in a lot of big games.
[QUOTE=rayweb_on]He's got a gold medal hanging on his chest.
And He was and Is an important member of that team
Even more,without Manu,Nocioni,Oberto ect,He caried the Arg National team to the Olimpics in Vegas,and He was the MVP of that tournament.
So,He's a winner.
You go cry somewhere else.
Olympics qualifyng MVP
Gold Medal in Olympics, 2nd Team
Silver Medal in World Championship
ACB 2 time MVP
All Euroleague team
Probably not more than 10 players in NBA win more
MVP les or first team les means that you are a "natural winner".
I guess that Dirk or Nash are winners.
The biggest part of Scola's career is what he has done with Tau. He win nothing significant with Tau except a Spanish le in 2002 while Scola wasn't the main player of this team.
Calling Scola a winner because of MVP awards or because of a couple of successful summer is just plain wrong.
Scola was a great player in Europe, not a winner. It's a FACT, his lack of les are here to back up that.
all I have to say to that is.....................MVP les or first team les means that you are a "natural winner".
I guess that Dirk or Nash are winners.
The biggest part of Scola's career is what he has done with Tau. He win nothing significant with Tau except a Spanish le in 2002 while Scola wasn't the main player of this team.
Calling Scola a winner because of MVP awards or because of a couple of successful summer is just plain wrong.
Scola was a great player in Europe, not a winner. It's a FACT, his lack of les are here to back up that.
ATHENS 2004.
I guess we can say that Vince Carter is a winner because of Sidney 2000.
The bulk of a career is what you do with your team the whole year, not what you do during two weeks with your NT during the summer.
Wow...I'm glad I didn't visit the forum for a while...I'll start talking to myself.
- Is Scola a good player? Yes.
- Will he be an All-Star? No.
- Are the Rockets championship material just because Scola is there? No.
- Is he a good addition to the Rockets? Yes, he's a smart basketball player who moves into spaces and gives their team another scoring threat.
- Could he be useful for the Spurs? Yes, specially since he is rebounding slightly better of what was expected from him.
- Would he have played the same minutes for the Spurs that he is putting in the Rockets? No, he'd probably would have to wait until late in his second year in San Antonio. But the chemistry between him and Manu could have been a nice addition.
- Did the Spurs made a bad deal? Yes, but there have been worse, just take a look at the past couple of weeks in the NBA.
- Is Scola sour or angry at the Spurs? Not at all, he understood that moving to Houston was a step foward in his career. If anything, he has stated that he is thankful to the Spurs for drafting him and then allowing him to move to a team where he could get playing time.
- Has this thead been going for way too long? Yes!
- Should this thead go on for the rest of Luis career in the NBA? No, THIS IS MADNESS!
Don't reply again and send this thread to the bottom of the pit of Spurs talk...
Russia win European Championship and upset Spain in Madrid but Spain team is team of chokers and also I think Russia team not as talent when other team have full team. Team like Argentina and Greece not send full team when they compete at America Championship and European Championship but also yes the Russia team very good.
Only TWO Argentines?
I'm pretty sure you have the knowledge of just about all the Argentines available in the US, Europe, and South America, since you love them so much.
That's why the Spurs won the le in 2006, because Oberto knew the system so well he was able to shine when Pop wasn't playing Nazr or Rasho.
Wait a sec...
So, wait, it's been HOW long since the Scola trade?
seriously, this thread needs to be shot down.
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