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Trash gives the employers cover,
they order people back to work,
employees become diseased, injured for life, or killed, will there be any accountability?
What about employees who refuse to work? will they be fired? evicted? homeless?
Libertarian twitter has lost their minds. 100 percent workforce in two weeks. I find it quite intellectually dishonest when they label this virus an "old people problem," and if we just isolate those most at risk and let the "young people" get back to work, we'll save the economy!
65 percent of people ages 55-64 are still in the workforce.
https://www.bls.gov/emp/tables/civil...ation-rate.htm
, almost 30 percent of people ages 65-74 are still working. And 80 percent of 45-54 year olds work. All at risk groups, especially considering the preexisting conditions prevalent in these age groups. Those groups still make up a decent chunk of food service employees, over 2 million https://www.bls.gov/cps/cpsaat11b.htm. Yeah, I'm sure they'll just be itching to get back to work.
Trash gives the employers cover,
they order people back to work,
employees become diseased, injured for life, or killed, will there be any accountability?
What about employees who refuse to work? will they be fired? evicted? homeless?
Even if we argue we don't give a about old people dying, the contagion rate of this thing is brutal. This is what seemingly still escapes some people. And the only reasonable way to gauge is with actual testing.
Both of these are plausible scenarios (due to the lack of solid testing):
- 60% of the US population already has/had the virus (~200 million). That leaves ~150 million as potential new cases. 1% of those fall ill within the same week and need hospitalization (1.5 million), 5% of those need concurrent ICU visits/ventilators (75,000).
- 10% of the US population already has/had the virus (~35 million). That leaves ~315 million as potential new cases. 1% of those fall ill within the same week and need hospitalization (3 million), 5% of those need concurrent ICU visits/ventilators (150,000).
I think I'm being extremely conservative with the percentages, but feel free to correct me. In addition, hospital capacity varies from city to city and state to state.
But planning for one or the other is very different. In the first case, our system would be pretty much at the limit, but perhaps with some juggling we can make it. The second case is collapse everywhere. That's roughly 3 times our capacity.
Without testing you're flying blind, and it's really irresponsible to make such decisions without the actual data.
The 2009 H1N1 FLU pandemic continued into 2010
60M infected
12500 dead
C19 CORONAVIRUS (is not a flu) is much MORE transmissible and much MORE fatal,
while survivors of advanced infections have been damaged permanently in their lungs and heart, and maybe the brain, resulting in permanent disability.
One young guy who came off several days in a coma on a ventilator says he had to put a stool in his shower because he got exhausted from standing that long. His lungs are permanently damaged.
“We Are Constantly Warned Not to Speak Negatively”: Hospitals Crack Down on COVID-19 Complaints
Health care workers on the front lines are desperate for resources, but those who speak out are being muzzled.
“The reason they fired me was to conceal my voice,” says one Mississippi doctor.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020..._term=VYF_Hive
For-profit hospitals and/or taxpayer/county hospitals?
Well done. That is officially a pwn. Nathan89 glommed on to something that fit his confirmation bias, and did not apply critical thinking skills to what he read.Terrible in' "analysis."
So, not an epidemiologist. But I won't appeal to authority here. Let's look at the problems with his argument.
Yes, this is how bell curves work. Most events in nature follow some kind of bell curve and don't exponentially increase forever. Everyone already knows this, so he's saying nothing new. The entire point of our social distancing and stay-at-home measures is to reduce the bell's peak.
HUGE handwave here. These examples are not analogous, even if the overall trends were similar in acceleration and decline. He's basically implying that the outcome would be the same everywhere regardless of the steps taken to reduce spread. That's not the case, as Italy's had a much more severe outcome than those countries. And those countries had the luxury of not having to implement a total lockdown because they tested, traced, and quarantined early.
Same handwave as above. "Eh, Sweden and the US are basically the same, even though one country had locked down and the other hasn't. This proves lockdowns are correlational at best. Open up the country!" No, it doesn't.
California has five times the population density as Sweden, 4 times as many people, more frequent international travel, had their first confirmed cases like a month and a week earlier, and yet their deaths per 1 million is 16 vs. Sweden's 91. Sweden's approach has been a case study in what not to do in a pandemic. Their Nordic neighbors are seeing fewer deaths, and other countries that are trying the herd immunity approach are getting hammered.
Lol. This is basically what we're doing already. Reason we've closed down bars, restaurants, clubs, theaters, churches, beaches, etc is because those places draw crowds. An office space with 200 workers in close proximity is a "crowd."
100 percent workforce in 2 weeks.
That is what critical thinking looks like.
Nathan, the stuff you post here routinely gets shredded like this.
What does that say to you about the things you think are real or valid?
Again, we can get a rough estimation as to the penetration so far by backtracking infections from known deaths which are a more complete data set.
Death toll of a total of 21,000 implies about 3.1M people have had the disease, as of about two weeks ago, as it takes about two weeks to kill you. (based on the best available evidence where total populations of people have been tested-cruise ships etc). R-naught of 1.3 means that about 4M have it right now, a large percentage of which are asymptomatic. Very probably more, because of death undercounting, which is probably substantial at this point.
Each thousand people dead implies an additional 151,515 people have caught the disease, regardless of the number of confirmed tests.
By the time we reach 100,000 fatalities that would imply that only 15M people have had this. That is only 5% of the population.
sure they can have a everything open in 2 weeks but the ERs will again get flooded and bodies will pile up
the cat is out of the bag. they would have to ins ute a federal body removal service similar to garbage pickups that would pick up bodies from curbs on a weekly basis.
our healthcare system is 3rd world. need to face that fact and donwhat 3rd world countries do and shut down
for much longer than 1st world countries
its like in NBA when you have a ty team. you cannot compete like the bigs boys and have to tank to get better players. same thing here
Nathan, ducks, etc are ing stupid, ignorant, indoctrinated/brainwashed cultists, just like religionists
FBI DISCOVERS PROMISED STOCKPILE OF 39 MILLION MEDICAL MASKS WAS A SCAM
https://www.newsweek.com/fbi-discove...s-scam-1497489
Not too surprised. My scamdar pinged that one as "too good to be true", and the more you think about it, the less plausible it sounds. "en y with 39 million valuable masks promises to make some rando union somewhere the sole distributor for them, instead of selling them to desperate governments that will almost certainly pay more".
What this Yahoo report and the other media reports totally leave out is Fauchis later response where he says in response to one questioner: “not once did the President not follow my recommendations as soon as I asked him to do so. Fauchi said the President always followed his immediate recommendations and requests. The media, including Yahoo, leaves that out that was asked and discussed in Monday’s Task Force briefing of April 13, 2020. Start telling the truth and maybe the Nation will start reading and listening to the media.
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if DNC can somehow successfully use this on election season Orangegutan is toast
my prediction is DNC will somehow drop the ball on this soft ball and lose anyway
I have absolutely no confidence in the DNC, confirmed by DNC/Dem establishment finding Biden as the best they can do.if DNC can somehow successfully use this on election season Orangegutan is toast
my prediction is DNC will somehow drop the ball on this soft ball and lose anyway
Hillary proved running against Trash, and there's a LOT more to throw at Trash now, rather articulating Big Idea policies that poll to be popular, and with plenty of implementation details like Warren does.
Trash will have by far the largest war chest since the oligarchy he enriched with the tax cut scam, and again with the C19 bailouts, give $Bs to beat the Dems.
no-enthusiasm Biden was badly outraised by Bernie
I think Biden will benefit, like Obama did after war loser dumb dubya, from the ANYBODY but Trash vote, that could be decisive.
Does anybody else find it strange that the guy leading the charge against fighting the pandemic (Dr. Fauci) is supposedly sleeping 4 hours a night? You'd think such a high profile public official like this, who spends all this time warning us and preaching about preventative measures, would prioritize getting quality sleep. Sleep deprivation is known to wreck your immune system
hes been looking like a corpse for the last month tbqh
I called it
a regular flu would take this poor bas to the ER
And Sweden just tied their highest daily death toll.
bag Repugs ting up hole TX with ty medical advice from bag Trash
Texas sends doses of unproven coronavirus treatment hydroxychloroquine to D-FW hospitals
At least 70 hospitals across Texas have received shipments of hydroxychloroquine from the Department of State Health Services.
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2020/04/10/texas-sends-doses-of-unproven-drug-hydroxychloroquine-to-treat-coronavirus-to-d-fw-hospitals/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_conten t=Dallas+County+judge+s+fight+to+stop+coronavirus% 2C+Gov++Abbott+to+unveil+strategy+for++restoring+l ivelihoods+%2C+fight+over+mail-in+voting&utm_campaign=Politics_04142020
recent HCQ study was STOPPED due to heart risks
one of the most dumberest of TX Repug bags
East Texas Rep. Louie Gohmert slammed by opponent after urging use of nonexistent powder for COVID-19
The Tyler Republican claims mystery powder used in Germany keeps surfaces coronavirus-free for 14 days.
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2020/04/10/east-texas-rep-louie-gohmert-slammed-by-opponent-after-urging-use-of-nonexistent-powder-for-covid-19/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_conten t=Dallas+County+judge+s+fight+to+stop+coronavirus% 2C+Gov++Abbott+to+unveil+strategy+for++restoring+l ivelihoods+%2C+fight+over+mail-in+voting&utm_campaign=Politics_04142020
besides stockholm, sweden is very sparsely populated and abut 50% of its population already work from hom
it does not take too much to understand why they tried their strategy
not to mention they have 1st world healthcare
we have none of those 3 aspects I described above
still I believe Sweden is inadvertently killing off its old an poor
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And this illustrates another problem.
The 60 million number is a number from an epidemiological model based more on symptoms. It is the rare person that actually gets tested for the flu in general.
We will have to have a very large number of reliable tests ready if we want to reopen things piecemeal. This is going to require big cooperation from a federal government led by a WH that’s best message has always been divisive. States acquiring tests individually without some sort of plan will be a mess. We don’t need compe ion between states for testing.
Orange guy again is in over his head. Better have your testing and distribution gurus ready. That’s not Kushner or Pence. Hopefully they can find people who actually have the expertise (I know this word, expertise, scares the out of the all knowing grandiose orange man) Expertise AND WILLING TO PRAISE him like a naughty spoiled child. Pretend like the president figured it all out if you have to.
Saying "let young people get back to work" isn't the same as letting everyone that is part of the workforce get back to work. Of course they won't be "itching to get back to work" because they are more at risk and that's why they proposed letting "young people" get back to work
So Fauci AND Trump have blood on their hands -
not just Trump
got it!
An employer, 100 people furloughed now all coming back.
How does he know all 100 are not infected but symptomless victims TODAY?
How does he know none of them will not become symptomlessly infected in the following days?
What if a few get very sick, are off work for weeks, get fired, and even die, the employer still thinks "re-opening" his company was good idea, a success?
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