Official Trade Deadline Speculation Thread

[TD 21]

If this team doesn't trade for Thomas at this point, then they deserve to lose. He's not entirely ideal (nothing they can realistically acquire is), but he possesses a lot of what they need and supposedly all they'd have to give up is Bonner and one of Mason or Finley.

An internal move I'd like to see is Hairston re-called and immediately put into the rotation. This team needs to start planning for next season and beyond and they need to find out what they've got in Hairston. Is he just a fringe player? Can he be a rotation player? Maybe even a stopper? A secondary defender to throw at top opposition wings?

It's time to find out because, Finley is more than likely going to retire after this season, Bogans isn't a long term answer to anything (Hairston is probably better right now than both), Mason, unfortunately, doesn't look like he'll be around past this season at the latest, Jefferson, by the '11 deadline is almost certain to be gone and Ginobili, as difficult as it is to say, is probably going to be gone in the off season. This teams wing situation currently and even more so going forward is a mess.

By next season, we should see a rotation featuring: Hill, Blair, Thomas, Splitter, potentially Hairston and/or the up coming 1st round pick, plus potentially a young, low cost pickup, such as Almond.

[pad300]

According to Ball Don't Lie

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/...aining-content

The possible Iggy-Stoudemire trade looks something like this

Iggy+Dalembert for Stoudemire and Richardson

SAS can top that for Philly:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=yhyfq2r

Why is this better for PHI? Amare either a) doesn't opt out, and makes PHI into a tax payer next year (and probably doesn't improve them a whole bunch) or b) does opt out and leaves. Richardson = Jefferson (and their contracts are really close), both are underperforming, and Richardson is getting fed by Steve Nash... SAS's offer saves PHI @ $5 Million + tax on this season, due to being closer in salary differential. It includes a prospect (Mahinmi) they might want to keep, and finally, actually improves their tanking (and therefore lottery odds). SAS likely would also be willing to include a 2010 1st round pick...

[marcflynn2009]

deal ginobili and jefferson for wadeeeee or bosh... face it spurs fans, we can do without jefferson and ginobili is always injured/not as explosive as he used to be

[venitian navigator]

Trades that works and could be good for the defense:

B. Wallace + K. Brown for RMJ

Nocioni for Ratliff, Finley, Bonner

[Muser]

The corpse of Ben Wallace and one of the worst big men in the league? Damn we must be desperate.

[venitian navigator]

Wallace is playng well, and Brown is still young and known for defense...considering we could still have Duncan, Mc Dyess and Blair that would be an improvement.

[DPG21920]

9 days.

[exstatic]

According to Ball Don't Lie

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/...aining-content

The possible Iggy-Stoudemire trade looks something like this

Iggy+Dalembert for Stoudemire and Richardson

SAS can top that for Philly:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=yhyfq2r

Why is this better for PHI? Amare either a) doesn't opt out, and makes PHI into a tax payer next year (and probably doesn't improve them a whole bunch) or b) does opt out and leaves. Richardson = Jefferson (and their contracts are really close), both are underperforming, and Richardson is getting fed by Steve Nash... SAS's offer saves PHI @ $5 Million + tax on this season, due to being closer in salary differential. It includes a prospect (Mahinmi) they might want to keep, and finally, actually improves their tanking (and therefore lottery odds). SAS likely would also be willing to include a 2010 1st round pick...

Dalembert is horrible, and Iggy is just good enough to keep a team out of the lottery. He's not a premium talent, but he's paid like one, and for 4 more years. Ugh. No thanks. After the lockout, you'll NEVER see a player like AI paid like this. By production, he's about an 8 million dollar player. Unfortunately, his salary tops out at close to double that in 2013/14.

[Rick Von Braun]

I've seen T. Thomas played at least 30 times in the last two years. He is a leaper and has length, all fantastic physical attributes for an NBA player.

However, he has ZERO basketball IQ, I repeat ZERO. I don't know if he is coachable or if he has the capacity to learn and adapt. If he can learn and become a basketball player, he would be a fantastic help for the Spurs frontcourt.

Nevertheless, I've seen him missing so many defensive rotations, forcing shots and just plain boneheaded plays it is not even funny.

Caveat emptor.

[pad300]

Dalembert is horrible, and Iggy is just good enough to keep a team out of the lottery. He's not a premium talent, but he's paid like one, and for 4 more years. Ugh. No thanks. After the lockout, you'll NEVER see a player like AI paid like this. By production, he's about an 8 million dollar player. Unfortunately, his salary tops out at close to double that in 2013/14.

1) The lockout is after 2 seasons (including this one). Those two seasons are likely the Spurs last 2 championship shots for a long time - It is extremely likely TD retires at the start of the lockout. SAS is in a must go for it position. Yeah, the 3 years after the lockout are going to suck. So what, we'll be rebuilding anyways...


2) Regarding talent, Iguolda and dalembert, this season. Jefferson for comparison
From www.dberri.wordpress.com
Player WP/48 PER
Mahinmi 0.338 17.2
Iguolda 0.234 17.7
Dalembert 0.232 16.8
Bonner 0.190 15.2
Jefferson 0.032 12
Mason 0.063 11.9
Finley 0.010 8.2



0.1 is theoretically an average player for WP/48. 15 is theoretically an average player for PER

Yes, Mahinmi is the statistical outlier from minimal playing time. Gee, which team wins the talent side of this, big time?

Consider a playoff rotation

Duncan (36), Dalembert (30), McDyess (30)
Iggy (36) Manu (30), Hill (18), Bogans (12)
Parker (36) Hill (12)

That could even be further shorted to eliminate Bogans (and likely would for the Lakers).

Iguolda would just be a MUCH better fit than Jefferson - Plays much more D, moves the ball much more (career ast% 19.4 vs 14.6), rebounds better. Has a lower usage rate, and would be much more comfortable as a 3ed option on the court.

Also, Dalembert and Iguolda have the 1st and 3d best defensive ratings on their teams. Jefferson is 12th on our squad (of the 15 players we have had this season).

[SenorSpur]

I've seen T. Thomas played at least 30 times in the last two years. He is a leaper and has length, all fantastic physical attributes for an NBA player.

However, he has ZERO basketball IQ, I repeat ZERO. I don't know if he is coachable or if he has the capacity to learn and adapt. If he can learn and become a basketball player, he would be a fantastic help for the Spurs frontcourt.

Nevertheless, I've seen him missing so many defensive rotations, forcing shots and just plain boneheaded plays it is not even funny.

Caveat emptor.

I've heard that about him. Actually, I'd rather have Taj Gibson instead and can understand why Thomas has been made expendable. However the Spurs, as currently constructed, aren't going anywhere with the squad they have anyway. As I keep saying, if you're going to lose games, I'd rather lose with young, cheap talent that has upward potential rather than with old, expensive players, who are past their prime.

[poop]

just do Something.

[timvp]

I've seen T. Thomas played at least 30 times in the last two years. He is a leaper and has length, all fantastic physical attributes for an NBA player.

However, he has ZERO basketball IQ, I repeat ZERO. I don't know if he is coachable or if he has the capacity to learn and adapt. If he can learn and become a basketball player, he would be a fantastic help for the Spurs frontcourt.

Nevertheless, I've seen him missing so many defensive rotations, forcing shots and just plain boneheaded plays it is not even funny.

Caveat emptor.

Agreed. He could bomb out as a Spur. In fact, I think that is the most likely scenario. There's a chance he puts it all together and figures out how to properly use his natural talents ... but I haven't seen much maturation in his game since his LSU days.

[Spurologist]

What kind of range does TT have?

Dunking....

[slick'81]

maybe tt is all hype but id like to c what pop could get out of him if anything

[HarlemHeat37]

He has a semi-reliable mid-range J..

I agree that Thomas is an idiot..one of the worst basketball IQs in the NBA..I still want him though..this team just needs athletes..badly..

Pop is supposed to have a reputation of a basketball genius..the Spurs organization is supposed to be the best organization in sports since the Duncan-Pop era began..let's see them put this reputation to use and see what they can do with an immature player like Thomas that has all the potential in the world..

Scenario 1: Thomas doesn't help and clashes with Pop..we're stuck where we already were, which is a fringe playoff team..we just lose the expirings that we might not have used anyways..

Scenario 2: Thomas thrives as a Spur, helping add a much needed boost of shot blocking, athleticism and energy to an old team that can barely move..

Scenario 3: Thomas sits on the bench while Finley is playing PF..

[jermaine]

I don't care what his IQ is. Pop should let him do whatever like he let Blair. Imagine TT& Manu on a P&R. That boy would try to rip the rim down as good as Manu be setting people up these days.

[L.I.T]

The one part of a deal that makes sense, from a Bulls perspective, is that they recently swapped Aaron Gray for Devin Brown to shore up their guard spot (likely in case of a trade)

As has been mentioned then, the Pargo/Thomas trade makes sense for them if they can get some size back (Mahinmi or Bonner). Some combination of Mahinmi/Bonner/Finley is completely palatable.

Even though Thomas is likely a dumber but more athletic and defensively oriented version of Mahinmi..

[timvp]

I might be back on the Camby bandwagon. With as porous as the defense is, the Spurs could use Camby's shotblocking. He'll give up open shots on the perimeter but at least they aren't layups. And maybe he'll play his azz off since it's a contract year.

Camby doesn't fit in the Spurs' current system but junking the current system and building a new one around Camby's ability to block shots sounds about as good as any other option right now.

[Spursfanfromafar]

I might be back on the Camby bandwagon. With as porous as the defense is, the Spurs could use Camby's shotblocking. He'll give up open shots on the perimeter but at least they aren't layups. And maybe he'll play his azz off since it's a contract year.

Camby doesn't fit in the Spurs' current system but junking the current system and building a new one around Camby's ability to block shots sounds about as good as any other option right now.

Absolutely. Camby >>> Thomas, for the simple reason that Thomas seems to be a more athletic version of Drew Gooden, promising much and bound to deliver little more than frustration and bone-headedness. Camby on the other hand, has some veteran mojo and will do better, I guarantee it.

[Manu20]

Camby for Ian, Roger, and Bonner.

Will the Clips bite?

[Spursfanfromafar]

Camby for Ian, Roger, and Bonner.

Will the Clips bite?

The Clips are looking for a good SF.

If we can arrange a Three-Way between Washington, the Clips and us....this is much doable. Except three way trades are a rarity.

Camby to Spurs, Butler to Clips, and Ian, Roger and Bonner to Wiz.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=yhvcq2w ..Something of this order.. only trouble is that the Wizards would be doing a 3 for 1 with a full roster already.

[ElNono]

I might be back on the Camby bandwagon. With as porous as the defense is, the Spurs could use Camby's shotblocking. He'll give up open shots on the perimeter but at least they aren't layups. And maybe he'll play his azz off since it's a contract year.

Camby doesn't fit in the Spurs' current system but junking the current system and building a new one around Camby's ability to block shots sounds about as good as any other option right now.

If you're going to do that, might aswell give Ratliff a shot and see what happens. That said, I have a feeling the current system is here to stay as long as Pop is at the helm.

[Spursfanfromafar]

If you're going to do that, might aswell give Ratliff a shot and see what happens. That said, I have a feeling the current system is here to stay as long as Pop is at the helm.

I don't think so.. Pop & co. are looking to make a move. The Spurs always work under the radar during trade time and thats why there isn't much rumor-traction. But I am pretty sure that Pop and RCB are doing something to upgrade this set.

[SenorSpur]

C'mon folks. Enough with the "old man acquisition program". Been there done that. Why do you think the Spurs are in the trouble they're in now? The core players have gotten old and injury-prone. The added players that are older, dead-legged or both.

They need young, quick, athletic players - especially to help Pop continue to fortify his small-ball lineups.