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    Socialist healthcare isn't a noteworthy tactic to execute this strategy. But thanks for trying ram agenda into every conversation.
    Solving the ing problem *is* the conversation. The problem has been made vastly worse because of free-market failures.

    The free market is not some infallible deity, as libertarians seem to think. It has failures. Monopolies, monosonies, duopolies, tragedy of the commons, etc.

    That pea-brain stupid mother ers like yourself are too ignorant about how free markets work in reality is part of that wider problem of irrational faith in a system.

    You have some childish, wishcasting about how the world works but no idea how it does. You beat off to some blog or meme and use that as a subs ute for picking up a god-damned book and doing some math on occasion.

    Lazy and ignorant.

    Poverty kills.

    All laws aside, no one in the restaurant industry goes to the doctor when they are sick. There are health code rules about what symtoms exclude you from work - you have to go to the doctor and get cleared, or be symptom free for 24 hours.

    and they are *never* followed.

    The people making your food do not have health insurance. Restaurants almost never offer it.

    They do not have paid time off. Benefits like that aren't imaginable. They do not have enough people in the schedule to cover an absence. "lean staffing" It's more profitable.

    The average age of a fast food worker is 29. The average income is $8.69 an hour. It is taxed about 21% on paychecks.

    The average doctors visit w/o insurance costs $300-$600.

    43.7 hours. at a minimum, more than a weeks take-home pay.

    Going to the doctor is an *insane luxury*

    we have watched people PRIDE themselves on working through illness and injury. I had a driver break his foot by stepping on a tennis ball in someone's driveway, and then work another four days on a broken foot on ibuprofin and spite.

    Flu-like symptoms?

    out of here.

    MOST fast food workers are already on some kind of public assistence. Many of those are "means tested" and require them to keep jobs.

    This means that:

    1) fast food workers literally cannot afford to go to the doctor they will do what we've always done, dose up heavliy on Dayquil, puke in the bathroom, explain things away as being "hungover" or "tired" and their manager will pretend nothing is wrong.

    2) fast food workers literally cannot afford to miss work. the median age is 29 for christ's sake. these are people with bills families and responsibilities.

    Median 2 bedroom rent is 1,194 /mo That $8.69 wage is about is $1,190/ month take-home pay

    Even with roommates that's half your money.

    You can't afford to take off work, go to the doctor, much less take off work when the doctor says you need to be quarantined for three weeks. You need every hour.j

    Otherwise you lose your job, then your housing, and anything else that keeps the wolf away from the door.

    When this happened to me, the doctor said i needed to be off my feet and resting for two weeks, light duty for another two.

    I took 4 days. It was one of two times in nine years that I missed work, both of them involving a trip to the emergency room.

    People who work food service are less likely to have reliable transportation so they ride mass transit, exposing themselves to more people.

    They live together in tight spaces, ensuring it spreads between folks.

    They have poor diets, poor sleep, and weakened immune systems.

    14M people work in food service in the U.S. they're in every community. Everyone has to eat.

    they live and work in conditions that make the spread of disease inevitable.

    They won't go to the doctor until it's a crisis, long after they have passed it on to others.

    the flu is bad enough going around a kitchen.

    Co-19 is substanitally more easily transmitted than the flu.

    and we've created a situation where food service workers' SURVIVAl depends on doing THE EXACT OPPOSITE of anything that could fight a pandemic.

    and these are the people making your food.

    the average food service worker is a millenial. 62% of us live paycheck to paycheck.

    and it doesn't have to be like this.

    In our parents' lifetimes, it wasn't.

    God Bless the Conservative movement and their deregulation, pro-business regulation and "choice".

    Poverty is a public health crisis, y'all Wage slavery kills.

    And if you can't be bothered to care about that out of your basic human dignity, maybe the fact that the servile class you've been supported by can't afford to not make you sick will ing help.

    Eat the rich. /end

    --as seen on the internet, a pizza place manager of 9 years.

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    Yes, it is.

    "A clearer way of looking at death numbers, also courtesy of the excellent Our World in Data, is the daily trend of deaths per million. Here you get a good sense of the trajectories. All of the countries listed below, except Sweden, have full national lockdowns. And yet Sweden is roughly in the middle of the pack. This is quite remarkable in itself, when set against the dominant narrative that lockdowns are the only thing capable of ‘flattening’ these curves and preventing tragedies that are many times worse."

    https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/c...TA+NOR+SWE+GBR
    Jury still out on Swedish coronavirus strategy

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    Here's the thing, letting young people get back to work won't save the economy or even boost it in any meaningful way. A huge portion of the workforce is over 40, and people over 40 in the US aren't in the best of shape. So I'm unsure of what "letting the young and healthy" getting back to work is supposed to achieve? Most of them are probably already working, either in essential grocery, fast food, healthcare jobs, or can work from home, since younger people tend to have jobs in tech. Young people also feature heavily in food service jobs, but even if "we opened up," that sector isn't going to do anywhere near pre-Covid business since no one will be comfortable crowding restaurants, bars and cafes for awhile.

    The path to a wholesale getting back to work is test, test, test and knowing the particulars of this virus down to its last atom. If we find out it has a mortality and hospitalization rate around flu levels and if it's confirmed immunity is guaranteed after getting it, then we can confidently apply a set of strategies to reopen commerce. People with immunity can get back to work and the typical consumer activity of shopping, eating at restaurants, going to bars, theaters, etc. If we find out the virus is no more dangerous than the flu, then people will be comfortable in those crowded social settings. But we don't know much right now.
    idk about restaurants but bars are going to be flooded once this is over. Everybody was told to stay in right as the Winter Cabin Fever died down and the Spring sunshine finally came out. I think the "settled down" middle class family will probably take it easy for a bit, but I guarantee you the younger, single crowd is bouncing off the walls in big cities atleast

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    Abbott to start rolling back restrictions on businesses.
    That is what he is saying he wants. Not sure even he is that stupid.

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    And Boris Johnson had TWO highly qualified nurses standing over him taking his vitals for 48 hrs straight.
    He said they saved his life. Smoking fat guy lives.
    Their are people at the Harlem hospital on gurney's waiting in the halls to get seen.
    Its ridiculous how the health game gets treated.

    The proportion of minorities dying from this thing is a real testament to our health and wealth inequality.
    Its shameful. And its not all Trump's fault, but he certainly did not make things better.
    Sums it up.

    Greed kills. Libertarians like to pretend they will own the boot on their neck someday.

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    idk about restaurants but bars are going to be flooded once this is over. Everybody was told to stay in right as the Winter Cabin Fever died down and the Spring sunshine finally came out. I think the "settled down" middle class family will probably take it easy for a bit, but I guarantee you the younger, single crowd is bouncing off the walls in big cities atleast
    They are. I am although I know better. I can't say the same thing about the rest of my peers though. They're looking for any excuse to get out of the house. Just give them a date.

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    Data does not support that. Every place that has locked down has seen a very predictable flattening of the curve, with places that haven't seen the trend upwards.

    Not even really a debate.
    If the jury is still out on Swedish coronavirus strategy that means it is still up for debate.

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    Sweden has lost 114 people so far today.

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    Doesn't have to be human made to escape out of the lab.
    Well, if you're going to insist the virus came from the Wuhan lab then you have do acknowledge Trump completely ignored the explicit warning about it from his own state department.

    U.S. officials warned in January 2018 that the Wuhan Ins ute of Virology’s work on “SARS-like coronaviruses in bats,” combined with “a serious shortage” of proper safety procedures, could result in human transmission and the possibility of a “future emerging coronavirus outbreak.”
    https://news.yahoo.com/u-diplomats-w...132556558.html

    You sure you want to throw Trump under the bus like that?

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    The flu generally does not leave permanent scarring on the lungs. That would seem to imply it is vastly worse, because even those that technically survive the first round, could die decades earlier from the lasting complications.

    That is the part that scares ME.
    What articles have you read that states this? This topic seems murky, but I've heard this claim a few times. The only thing I've really gathered on my own digging is that many who die from COVID-19 develop Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome (ARDS) which is known to damage the air sacs in the lungs. However, that's from those who die. It's rare to find that in patients that survived. Also, how can anybody determine that this can cause "permanent scarring" considering nobody outside of China knew about this disease until four months ago? Just think it's hard to make a claim about "permanent" damage on such a novel disease

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    Even if it's true, which I won't believe until nonconspiracy sources cover it, it doesn't mitigate Trump's failure at all. Sorry.
    If you were to catch you’re hypothetical wife getting plowed by another man, you seem like the type to blame yourself and immediately assist in fluffing the bull, imo

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    If you were to catch you’re hypothetical wife getting plowed by another man, you seem like the type to blame yourself and immediately assist in fluffing the bull, imo
    You seem like the type of poster who would login to a different screen name just to attempt a nonsensical personal insult because you'd be embarrassed if others knew it was you.

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    You seem like the type of poster who would login to a different screen name just to attempt a nonsensical personal insult because you'd be embarrassed if others knew it was you.
    ^that projection thingy

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    ^that projection thingy
    Nah, I'll insult you using this screen name.

    And it will make sesne.

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    Yes, it is.

    "A clearer way of looking at death numbers, also courtesy of the excellent Our World in Data, is the daily trend of deaths per million. Here you get a good sense of the trajectories. All of the countries listed below, except Sweden, have full national lockdowns. And yet Sweden is roughly in the middle of the pack. This is quite remarkable in itself, when set against the dominant narrative that lockdowns are the only thing capable of ‘flattening’ these curves and preventing tragedies that are many times worse."

    https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/c...TA+NOR+SWE+GBR
    swedens population lives very distanced already and over 50% of them work from home

    the fact that they had over 100 deaths today is a complete tragedy in itself

    I would not use sweden as an example ever againt tbqh

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    Here’s why the South could see the largest share of coronavirus misery

    “The ideological distaste for the Affordable Care Act by many of the South’s political leaders and the Trump administration, has put them at a significant disadvantage to respond to this crisis,”

    “People in the South don’t just need Medicaid to cover coronavirus treatment, they need it to deal with high rates of chronic disease and to keep rural hospitals afloat. The coronavirus crisis is going to subside, but the economic crisis will be around for a while.”

    With the exception of New Orleans, most of the Deep South seemed to be spared initially.

    in late February, two funerals in a small Georgia city 200 miles south of Atlanta set off a chain reaction that quickly overwhelmed local hospitals with COVID-19 patients.

    Now similar hotspots are being detected throughout the South. And the virus is seeping into rural communities where many local hospitals are ill-prepared to treat more than a handful of patients at a time.

    some governors waited weeks to shut down businesses.

    And in many Southern states, restrictions on businesses are looser than in other parts of the country and

    messages to the public are reportedly unclear.

    Ivey, the Alabama governor, waited until April 4 to shut down certain businesses and order residents to stay at home.

    In Georgia, Republican Gov. Brian Kemp issued a limited stay-at-home order April 2, and

    the next day his administration told local officials who had closed their beaches to reopen them.

    In Arkansas, Republican Gov. Asa Hutchinson is still refusing to issue a stay-at-home order.

    In the District of Columbia, black residents make up 45% of the population and nearly 60% of coronavirus deaths.

    In Louisiana, African Americans are 32% of the population and more than 70% of coronavirus deaths, as of April 6.

    Nationwide, African Americans have higher rates of obesity, heart disease, hypertension, diabetes, asthma and other chronic diseases compared to the rest of the population.

    in the South are long-standing policies that prevent many African Americans from getting access to health care.

    “In Alabama, poverty and poor health are a legacy of decades of racist public policies that have excluded people of color from health care,”

    https://www.rawstory.com/2020/04/her...avirus-misery/

    The South is still paying for it sins of slavery, rebellion, and hate of Federal govt.



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    "For the sake of debate, so the President cannot "re-open" states, but it is entirely his fault that he didn’t perform each individual governor’s job of shutting them down, that’s the logic we’re going with this week."
    - D. Loesch
    Why does the line "oh but it's entirely his fault huh" always pop up in these re ed shield attempts?

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    sweden has 250 deaths a day on an average year

    the fact that it has now over 100 extra deaths should be signal enough for re s to stop using sweden as an example for anything besides failure tbqh

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    What articles have you read that states this? This topic seems murky, but I've heard this claim a few times. The only thing I've really gathered on my own digging is that many who die from COVID-19 develop Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome (ARDS) which is known to damage the air sacs in the lungs. However, that's from those who die. It's rare to find that in patients that survived. Also, how can anybody determine that this can cause "permanent scarring" considering nobody outside of China knew about this disease until four months ago? Just think it's hard to make a claim about "permanent" damage on such a novel disease
    COVID-19: Recovered patients have partially reduced lung function
    Chinese researchers have found fluid- or debris-filled sacs in the lungs of those who were infected by COVID-19. Scans suggest sustained organ damage
    https://www.dw.com/en/covid-19-recov...ion/a-52859671

    Threat of long-term damage looms after patients recover from coronavirus, experts say
    https://www.miamiherald.com/news/cor...241953691.html

    What Recovery From COVID-19 Looks Like
    Outcomes vary greatly depending on age and other factors, a pulmonologist explains
    https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...19-looks-like/


    Q: What will a patient look like at the end of those two weeks?

    That depends. If we’re able to do everything right, these people are up and walking around with the ventilator. Those patients come out on the other end looking pretty good. Maybe they’ll have some weakness, some weight loss, a little PTSD.

    The patients who are sicker and more intolerant of the technology, they tend to come out weak, forgetful, confused, deconditioned, maybe not even able to get out of bed. Sometimes, in spite of our best efforts, they’ll have skin wounds.

    Some of these patients have significant lung fibrosis ― scarring of the lungs and reduced lung function. This might be a short-term part of their recovery or it could be long-term.

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    sweden has 250 deaths a day on an average year

    the fact that it has now over 100 extra deaths should be signal enough for re s to stop using sweden as an example for anything besides failure tbqh
    The only way Sweden could prove its strategy is working is through extensive testing. Currently their testing is in the dog category behind even the US.

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    sweden has 250 deaths a day on an average year

    the fact that it has now over 100 extra deaths should be signal enough for re s to stop using sweden as an example for anything besides failure tbqh
    We won’t know it’s a failure until the virus runs its course. There is valid concern other places in full lockdown won’t build immunity and will immediately e once the lock down is lifted.

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    COVID-19: Recovered patients have partially reduced lung function
    Chinese researchers have found fluid- or debris-filled sacs in the lungs of those who were infected by COVID-19. Scans suggest sustained organ damage
    https://www.dw.com/en/covid-19-recov...ion/a-52859671

    Threat of long-term damage looms after patients recover from coronavirus, experts say
    https://www.miamiherald.com/news/cor...241953691.html

    What Recovery From COVID-19 Looks Like
    Outcomes vary greatly depending on age and other factors, a pulmonologist explains
    https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...19-looks-like/
    survivors coming off days on a ventilator are probably the worst. One guy said he had to put a stool in the shower because his lungs wouldn't support him standing up. Walking around the house took his breath away. And the intubation damaged his vocal cords.

    Such people will be on disability for life, breathing out of an oxygen concentrator, a ward of the state since for-profit insurance will cap coverage, and probably losing years of life.

    But, it, let's Resurrect American economy, open up everything, Labor's gotta take all the risks and keep working jobs so the risk-averse bosses and investors can skim off all the Capital

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    Lololololol


    pizzagate. ^

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    Lots of death today, sadly. 2,200 dead.

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