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    an effect or extraordinary event in the physical world that surpasses all known human or natural powers and is ascribed to a supernatural cause.

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    He kind of did admit to it when he claimed the slaughter of women and children in "biblical times" was okay because they're women and children, they would starve to death otherwise. HACK 'EM UP I SAY
    He has said that Gods relationship with the early jews is different than God's relationship with modern Christian.

    It can be summarized as:

    "God was an evil psychopath back then, but he is all better now".

    A thin excuse to be sure, but most apologetics are.

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    an effect or extraordinary event in the physical world that surpasses all known human or natural powers and is ascribed to a supernatural cause.
    damn, so no go for some old guy resigning in the midst of a world wide scandal?

    ... so close!

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    damn, so no go for some old guy resigning in the midst of a world wide scandal?

    ... so close!

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    He has said that Gods relationship with the early jews is different than God's relationship with modern Christian.

    It can be summarized as:

    "God was an evil psychopath back then, but he is all better now".

    A thin excuse to be sure, but most apologetics are.
    Well as long as god saw the err of his ways he's a-ok in my book

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    You guys are still interpreting the bible literally.

    And I figured you would confine and limit miracles to something strictly supernatural.
    But God has no such limitations, so IMHO a miracle can be practically anything, and as such my examples were apropos.
    Or can you explain why there is childbirth, not how there is, but "what is the reason for it"?

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    He answered my question - whether it was stupid to take things literally - when they weren't meant to be literal.


    He said NO - it isn't stupid - confirming that yes - he is stupid.
    Your question was a constrained one. You asked for a simple yes or no, when realistically one needed more information to effectively answer it.

    A better answer:

    No, if you can't tell what is supposed to be literal and what is figurative.

    There are 40,000 different christian denominations, and all with differing opinions as to what is literal, and what is not in the bible.

    Quite a few of them say it is all supposed to be taken literally.

    Not giving a , I simply take them at their word, which is logical.

    Since we are unable to really tell what is supposed to be taken literally and what is not, then we are left with assuming it all is, since that is the least ambiguous way of treating the material.

    Not that you are interested in nuance, but thought I would clear it up for you.

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    i probably shouldn't get invovled, but...

    You guys are still interpreting the bible literally.
    you'd be surprised... there are christians on this site do the same and defend it adamantly

    And I figured you would confine and limit miracles to something strictly supernatural.
    But God has no such limitations, so IMHO a miracle can be practically anything, and as such my examples were apropos.
    god IS supernatural (if for the sake of argument we assume he exists). he is boundless, timeless, doesn't consist of matter, etc. any act of god would be considered miraculous and supernatural

    Or can you explain why there is childbirth, not how there is, but "what is the reason for it"?
    reproduction is the basis of any and all life. consider it the earliest form of natural selection. any species that ever came about and lacked the ability to reproduce went extinct pretty quickly

    this is akin to why many animals today instinctively protect their young. those species that didn't protect their young probably didnt last as long for obvious reasons. those that had the genetic instructions to do so survived

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    ugh I don't have the energy to get into the propagation and survival of genes.

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    You guys are still interpreting the bible literally.

    And I figured you would confine and limit miracles to something strictly supernatural.
    But God has no such limitations, so IMHO a miracle can be practically anything, and as such my examples were apropos.
    Or can you explain why there is childbirth, not how there is, but "what is the reason for it"?
    (shrugs)

    The bible was treated as being completely true and literal by most of its believers for most of its existence.

    You can't really ding someone for taking others at their word when it comes to what they believe. We kinda have to.

    Give me a listing of what is literal and what is not, then give me the criteria for each decision as to what is literal and what is not.

    If it is all parable, then it is useless, or about as useful as looking for the divine in say, Edgar Allen Poe short stories.

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    God inspired me to sign into spurstalk today and talk to everyone about god. BAM. Miracle.

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    ugh I don't have the energy to get into the propagation and survival of genes.
    You have to understand that Xmas is working his way back from an unsupported premise.

    "god exists"

    Building on this, he constructs all sorts of things as "evidence".

    He will be honest to admit he doesn't have any evidence he can show you though. The evidence that supports his view of God is "within all of us".

    "God exists, therefore we have meaning given to us by God."

    Thoroughly circular, but hey, that is the way of God claims.

    Really not trying for a distortion, merely as accurate as I can get. Sometimes the verbose explanations can be a bit hard to decipher.

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    Lunch is up. Adios.

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    You have to understand that Xmas is working his way back from an unsupported premise.

    "god exists"

    Building on this, he constructs all sorts of things as "evidence".

    He will be honest to admit he doesn't have any evidence he can show you though. The evidence that supports his view of God is "within all of us".

    "God exists, therefore we have meaning given to us by God."

    Thoroughly circular, but hey, that is the way of God claims.

    Really not trying for a distortion, merely as accurate as I can get. Sometimes the verbose explanations can be a bit hard to decipher.
    Actually, and more accurately, I am working my way back from the "unsupported" premise:

    "God Does NOT Exist", because I was once an atheist.

    But you get points for being partially right.


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    You guys are still interpreting the bible literally.
    You believe Jesus existed as the Bible says, so you're interpreting it literally.

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    You believe Jesus existed as the Bible says, so you're interpreting it literally.
    You have no earthly idea what I believe simply because you never understand anything I say, and for that matter, anything that anyone says.
    Otherwise you would have shut your piehole about it months ago thereby lessening how much of a fool you make of yourself.

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    And why is murder wrong? In your eyes we are just animals are we not? Descendants of apes and such. Animals kill each other all the time. So why is it wrong?

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    Answer the simple question.

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    RG and shasta claim that killing animals is wrong and evil. I guess they're both evil since they eat animals that have been killed. Very simple.

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    Because we have the capacity for reason and empathy, and therefore to truly understand the harm in killing infants.

    Not really a hard concept to grasp.

    I have given you some links to very short videos that explain this simply and concisely, and one of much greater length.



    Why you are scared or too lazy to watch them, I can only guess at.
    Yawn, in your eyes humans are animals, so why is killing an animal evil? You're evil because you eat animals that have been killed. Simple really.

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    Atheists, humans are animals yet killing animals is evil even though biology insists we must kill other animals to survive. ROFL

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