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    I don't know. People complained about LMA's D and the team ended up having a near historic defense for the year.
    Pop can scheme a good D, even with poor D players.

    Team D is about having a few good individual D players and a full commitment to support and communication by everyone on the floor.
    Pau's lack of foot swiftness can be overcome, but it won't be easy.
    It's not just foot speed though. He has bad awareness. Doesn't know when he should be helping or not. I not sure if these habits can be fixed.

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    Man, Woj talking about Tim opting in has me nervous . I mean, he's pretty tied into things and maybe he was just saying what he thinks? I don't think it makes sense for Tim, but who knows. If he's retiring he may not care about the team so much and want to get his money.

    Good thing we will know no later than tomorrow if he opts in or out.

    I mean, I know the deadline is tomorrow but why would Tim need to wait to announce it when both Manu/West announced a day or more early (I think)?

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    , well i was already thinking next season will be a lost season. now it really will be. same exact team almost. garbage, but to be expected i guess.

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    Give up on Conley. He is not coming as long as Parker is here and Tony ain't going nowhere. As for Gasol, he a perfect fit on offence but he D leaves a lot to be desired. He can block shots, but he's not a rim protector; he is slow of foot and has bad instincts. Still, if Duncan doesn't come back then Pau is welcome here.
    That Conley report doesn't mean .

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    Have you seen what they have to do and give up to get that max slot?

    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/front-o...184021631.html


    The moves to fit Durant:

    1. Renounce the unrestricted free-agent holds of Marreese Speights, Leandro Barbosa, Ian Clark, James McAdoo, Brandon Rush and Anderson Varejao.

    2. Withdraw the qualifying offers and renounce the cap holds of Harrison Barnes and Festus Ezeli.

    3. Trade Bogut’s contract to a team with cap space.

    The moves would leave Golden State with $26.6 million in cap space to sign Durant to a max contract.

    However, doing so would only leave the Warriors with the minimum and room mid-level ($2.9 million) to fill out their roster

    Yahoo's close but not 100% accurate. They can keep Clark and still hand out the max to Durant, or within a rounding error of it. They could also retain Ezeli and Ian Clark, and move out Livingston (there will be takers ... yes Livingston is hard to give up, but might be the cost of retaining Ezeli which is a must without Bogut):

    Thompson $16,663,575 Thompson $16,663,575
    Green $15,330,435 Green $15,330,435
    Curry $12,112,359 Curry $12,112,359
    Iguodala $11,131,368 Iguodala $11,131,368
    Ezeli (HOLD) $5,021,870 Livingston $5,782,450
    Looney $1,182,840 Looney $1,182,840
    McCaw $543,471 McCaw $543,471
    D. Jones (1st rounder) $943,300 D. Jones (1st rounder) $943,300
    Clark (HOLD) $1,215,696 Clark (HOLD) $1,215,696
    Roster charge (x3) $1,630,413 Roster charge (x3) $1,630,413
    Dead $ $945,126 Dead $ $945,126
    Subtotal (12 players) $66,720,453 Subtotal (12 players) $67,481,033
    Cap Space $27,279,547 Cap Space $26,518,967


    But teams will drive a very hard bargain if they KNOW the Warriors have to move Bogut. Could be Iguodala instead too as he's more redundant with Durant. But if the cost of Durant is only Barnes (who's going to get PAID anyway), Bogut and Ezeli (also going to get paid) or Livingston, plus some nice to have guys like Barbosa/Speights, you do it 100 times out of 100.

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    It's not just foot speed though. He has bad awareness. Doesn't know when he should be helping or not. I not sure if these habits can be fixed.
    Very good point, but you that works with Pop's regimen for D.
    He works the basics over and over so that you can be lacking in fleetness of foot, if you already know where to go.
    You see that in the Spurs D over and over. The team knows where to go in a split second.
    It can help... Especially tuned in guys that may be slow. Being where you are supposed to be doesn't need speed, but smarts.

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    That Conley report doesn't mean .
    It's not just about the tweet. For a guy in his prime would he come here to share minutes with Tony? Neither one can play the two so they can't play together. How would it work if Tony was still here?

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    Very good point, but you that works with Pop's regimen for D.
    He works the basics over and over so that you can be lacking in fleetness of foot, if you already know where to go.
    You see that in the Spurs D over and over. The team knows where to go in a split second.
    It can help... Especially tuned in guys that may be slow. Being where you are supposed to be doesn't need speed, but smarts.
    Right you are. Lets hope he gets it if he comes here.

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    , well i was already thinking next season will be a lost season. now it really will be. same exact team almost. garbage, but to be expected i guess.
    That's not garbage. That's see what Spurs have in KL and LMA. This is the year, if the team is the same, that someone will have to step up. LMA has been a Drob his whole career. Can KL show he can lead the team from a scoring-when-it-matters/playmaking-when-it-matters standpoint?

    Has to happen for one of these players to grow.

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    Re Zach Lowe on Twitter just now: "Spurs have extended a qualifying offer to Boban Marjanovic, making him a restricted free agent (for now)."

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    It's not just about the tweet. For a guy in his prime would he come here to share minutes with Tony? Neither one can play the two so they can't play together. How would it work if Tony was still here?
    Not to mention that Memphis can give him an extra year. I think I heard he'd be leaving $40,000,000 on the table. Maybe it was $30,000,000. That's a lot to walk away from.

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    That's not garbage. That's see what Spurs have in KL and LMA. This is the year, if the team is the same, that someone will have to step up. LMA has been a Drob his whole career. Can KL show he can lead the team from a scoring-when-it-matters/playmaking-when-it-matters standpoint?

    Has to happen for one of these players to grow.
    Along with Danny being more comfy and role players doing what they do. , maybe even Anderson will develop a bit more and do something useful...

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    Along with Danny being more comfy and role players doing what they do. , maybe even Anderson will develop a bit more and do something useful...
    I meant maybe even Anderson COULD develop... Gotta be realistic and use that "maybe" prodigiously..

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    It's not just about the tweet. For a guy in his prime would he come here to share minutes with Tony? Neither one can play the two so they can't play together. How would it work if Tony was still here?
    The tweet and early reports conflict each other..Nothing has changed regarding Tony. Spurs and Conley are interested or not. Parker is 34 and already openly stated he's ready for a reduced role...

    Parker and Conley can work...but Tony must come off the bench. Until Conley has a meeting from Spurs and they discuss his role then you pay attention. But people calling quits on pursuing him because of a BS tweet isn't smart

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    The tweet and early reports conflict each other..Nothing has changed regarding Tony. Spurs and Conley are interested or not. Parker is 34 and already openly stated he's ready for a reduced role...

    Parker and Conley can work...but Tony must come off the bench. Until Conley has a meeting from Spurs and they discuss his role then you pay attention. But people calling quits on pursuing him because of a BS tweet isn't smart
    I hope your right. I like Conley but if Tony is looking for 6th man type minutes, it won't work.

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    I hope your right. I like Conley but if Tony is looking for 6th man type minutes, it won't work.
    Honestly, don't look for a Conley signing until Parker gets traded.
    I doubt that's happening.

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    I hope your right. I like Conley but if Tony is looking for 6th man type minutes, it won't work.
    Tony Parker needs to be the 6th man with or without Conley...it needs to be Parker role going forward unless we get KD which changes everything. I think Conley is unlikely IMO but he should be considered an option. We will know more as meetings are set up with teams. Don't read into anything until then

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    Man, Woj talking about Tim opting in has me nervous . I mean, he's pretty tied into things and maybe he was just saying what he thinks? I don't think it makes sense for Tim, but who knows. If he's retiring he may not care about the team so much and want to get his money.

    Good thing we will know no later than tomorrow if he opts in or out.

    I mean, I know the deadline is tomorrow but why would Tim need to wait to announce it when both Manu/West announced a day or more early (I think)?
    I hope Tim retires. No point in dropping his career PPG even more playing for a pretender.

    We already saw Hakeem/Raptors, Barkley/Rockets, Ewing/Knicks glimpses of him this postseason. Don't stay too long or it will take a hit on his legacy like it did Kirby's. Even ESPN ted on TOSB Kirby

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    "You're breaking my heart. You're gonna down a path i can't follow." Is exactly what i'd be telling the Spurs if they decide to give Matt Bonner yet another roster spot.

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    Have you seen what they have to do and give up to get that max slot?

    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/front-o...184021631.html

    THE COMPE ORS IN THE WEST
    Golden State Warriors
    The loss in the NBA Finals has Warriors management pondering a shakeup.

    Steph Curry, Klay Thompson and Draymond Green are likely untouchable, but the Warriors do have decisions to make on the value of cap space vs. their own free agents, and key rotational players Andre Iguodala and Andrew Bogut.

    Golden State, currently with no cap space, would need to create room to land Durant.

    When the Warriors meet with Durant, they will show him how room will be created and what the team will look like now and in the future.

    The moves to fit Durant:

    1. Renounce the unrestricted free-agent holds of Marreese Speights, Leandro Barbosa, Ian Clark, James McAdoo, Brandon Rush and Anderson Varejao.

    2. Withdraw the qualifying offers and renounce the cap holds of Harrison Barnes and Festus Ezeli.

    3. Trade Bogut’s contract to a team with cap space.

    The moves would leave Golden State with $26.6 million in cap space to sign Durant to a max contract.

    However, doing so would only leave the Warriors with the minimum and room mid-level ($2.9 million) to fill out their roster
    Hmmm.... does not seem likely... okay what about the Spurs... what do they have to do to get KD?

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    Hmmm.... does not seem likely... okay what about the Spurs... what do they have to do to get KD?
    Taken from the site:
    The Spurs could create $22 million in cap space with these moves:

    1. Renounce the cap holds of all free agents, including Tim Duncan, Manu Ginobili and Boban Marjanovic.

    2. Release the $2 million cap holds of former first-round picks Livio Jean-Charles and Nikola Milutinov.

    3. Trade Boris Diaw to a team with room.

    4. Waive the contract of Jonathon Simmons.

    San Antonio could create additional room, but would need to sacrifice a player such as Danny Green or Patty Mills.

    All-Stars Kawhi Leonard and Aldridge would join Durant to form a formidable trio.

    The Spurs would only have their room mid-level and minimum salaries to fill needs at backup power forward and center.

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    Taken from the site:
    The Spurs could create $22 million in cap space with these moves:

    1. Renounce the cap holds of all free agents, including Tim Duncan, Manu Ginobili and Boban Marjanovic.

    2. Release the $2 million cap holds of former first-round picks Livio Jean-Charles and Nikola Milutinov.

    3. Trade Boris Diaw to a team with room.

    4. Waive the contract of Jonathon Simmons.

    San Antonio could create additional room, but would need to sacrifice a player such as Danny Green or Patty Mills.

    All-Stars Kawhi Leonard and Aldridge would join Durant to form a formidable trio.

    The Spurs would only have their room mid-level and minimum salaries to fill needs at backup power forward and center.
    A Boris Diaw trade is a tough one since nobody wants Diaw. After you get rid of Diaw, then getting rid of Mills would be easier.

    However, trading Bogut for $11m may be even more difficult.

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    Seems like we're gonna just run it back and operate above the cap.

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