Welcome to SA, CP3

[RD2191]

We don't need to overpay for players that won't put us at least next to GS. Hill doesn't make us significantly better than we already are.

[Hoops Czar]

cd98 makes a good point. Tell me one team that has max and needs a point. If so, none of those teams have Hill first on their list and then some, any team that's leftover probably isn't a team you want to play for.

Spurs at like 20-22 million is a great opportunity and it's better than Utah's, who will have to get through the Warriors, Spurs, Rockets and Clippers(?). You would be playing in the West Finals for the forseeable future. You come to a team you love and a organization that will appreciate you, and a coach that you got close with. And then you can sign and trade Millsap in a 3 team deal to offload LaMarcus and get the Hawks a pick which they want.

Best case scenario imo
I'm tired of these non-spurs-like players and their drama tbh Paul doesn't fit and deep down you all know it.

Earlier this season, Utah's George Hill was coming into his own and having a career season and the Jazz were seriously thinking of giving him a max contract. Gee, wonder what happened that has Utah running scared?

[raybies]

Earlier this season, Utah's George Hill was coming into his own and having a career season and the Jazz were seriously thinking of giving him a max contract. Gee, wonder what happened that has Utah running scared?

that he might leave for nothing, that's why they have a contingency plan with Beverly reportedly. Hayward might leave and if so, Hill definitely is gone and vice versa.

[gambit1990]

he will not join the rockets.

he will sign with the spurs if they quit ing around and lose la's and tony's contracts.

[gambit1990]

people on spurstalk who don't want him AND he's the best passer in the league.

[TimDunkem]

If he doesn't shoot at least 50 percent from the field and come at the league minimum, ST doesn't want him...

[TimDunkem]

Seriously though, I don't get why so many balk at attempting to sign CP3 yet advocate for paying Hill 30 mill a year for less production.

[coachmac87]

[QUOTE=gambit1990;9061147]people on spurstalk who don't want him AND he's the best passer in the league

I think people also fail to realize if Paul comes to SA..that makes one less team to worry about in the West...

They about the supporting cast but want Hill and expect him to elevate the play of others..

[Hoops Czar]

that he might leave for nothing, that's why they have a contingency plan with Beverly reportedly. Hayward might leave and if so, Hill definitely is gone and vice versa.

Yeah, I get that. But the word out there is Utah is no longer interested in Hill. Is it possible that he could be the tiniest, insiest little bit overrated and Utah doesn't wasn't to commit a long term deal to a player that's often injured and isn't in the least bit elite? He's a solid all around ball player but for the amount of money being thrown around, this would be an astronomical overpay and it still doesn't solve the problem of beating GS.

[objective]

Utah offered him a ton to extend, but he refused. They're not going to offer it again unless they lock up Hayward, because Hill matches the Hayward timeline.

If Hayward leaves for Boston or Miami, they don't want to commit to Hill, and vice versa. Their timeline changes, they won't want him at his age.

His market has dried up a lot and he might be cheaper by default.

Mavs drafted a point, Knicks drafted a point, Kings drafted a point, Lakers drafted a point, Nets traded for a point, Philadelphia drafted a point, Chicago traded for a point, Orlando won't have even $20 million, Indiana doesn't want him, New Orleans will try and keep Holiday,

Maybe Minnesota as a third guard? They can clear over 20 I think I heard ...

But San Antonio might be his only other option as a starter, there's just not many situations for him anymore

[TimDunkem]

I don't think he left all that money on the table if he didn't have a good indication that he would eventually get the contract he wants.

[timtonymanu]

CP3 stays in L.A., Jrue stays in NO, Hill goes to another team on an insane contract, and the Spurs just roll the dice with Murray, White, a gimpy TP, and maybe an over the hill FA at PG.

Book it.

this is so true

[TimDunkem]

I've already mentally prepared myself for it.

[raybies]

Yeah, I get that. But the word out there is Utah is no longer interested in Hill. Is it possible that he could be the tiniest, insiest little bit overrated and Utah doesn't wasn't to commit a long term deal to a player that's often injured and isn't in the least bit elite? He's a solid all around ball player but for the amount of money being thrown around, this would be an astronomical overpay and it still doesn't solve the problem of beating GS.

Maybe he does want the max from them then and let's be real, I would never, under any cir stance, give him the max here or feel he deserves it but if he demands it from them why not. He probably doesn't care to be there. He has no ties there from what we can gather.

I'm thinking 20 mil per or a tad more here. But he's a system player that excels in a system. He was like the 3rd or 4th option at Indiana and pretty much got buried, but look what he was able to accomplish this year in Utah as a #2 pretty much. In the right system it is actually a value deal to get him at twenty especially if he plays like a star, because of the system. It's like Draymond and if he would still be an All Star anywhere else but the Warriors and those players surrounding him. It's chemistry tbh. That's what kind of mad scientist game I'm playing with Millsap and Hill. Them playing and excelling in a system. Hill and Millsap could average like 18-20 here imo. I mean Aldridge averaged 17 and was crap and Millsap is a better defender than Aldridge and Hill is a better defender than Parker. You don't need Hill to play make cause you have Leonard and then you have Murray and White, which makes sense to why they drafted him, to let the better man play make off the bench.

[TimDunkem]

Maybe he does want the max from them then and let's be real, I would never, under any cir stance, give him the max here or feel he deserves it but if he demands it from them why not. He probably doesn't care to be there. He has no ties there from what we can gather.

I'm thinking 20 mil per or a tad more here. But he's a system player that excels in a system. He was like the 3rd or 4th option at Indiana and pretty much got buried, but look what he was able to accomplish this year in Utah as a #2 pretty much. In the right system it is actually a value deal to get him at twenty especially if he plays like a star, because of the system. It's like Draymond and if he would still be an All Star anywhere else but the Warriors and those players surrounding him. It's chemistry tbh. That's what kind of mad scientist game I'm playing with Millsap and Hill. Them playing and excelling in a system. Hill and Millsap could average like 18-20 here imo. I mean Aldridge averaged 17 and was crap and Millsap is a better defender than Aldridge and Hill is a better defender than Parker. You don't need Hill to play make cause you have Leonard and then you have Murray and White, which makes sense to why they drafted him, to let the better man play make off the bench.

Even if Hill takes a 10 million dollar discount per year, you'd still need to get rid of all the bad contracts on the team to even sniff signing Millsap.

And sign and trades aren't viable anymore. Millsap won't get his value if he's traded for Aldridge.

[raybies]

Utah offered him a ton to extend, but he refused. They're not going to offer it again unless they lock up Hayward, because Hill matches the Hayward timeline.

If Hayward leaves for Boston or Miami, they don't want to commit to Hill, and vice versa. Their timeline changes, they won't want him at his age.

His market has dried up a lot and he might be cheaper by default.

Mavs drafted a point, Knicks drafted a point, Kings drafted a point, Lakers drafted a point, Nets traded for a point, Philadelphia drafted a point, Chicago traded for a point, Orlando won't have even $20 million, Indiana doesn't want him, New Orleans will try and keep Holiday,

Maybe Minnesota as a third guard? They can clear over 20 I think I heard ...

But San Antonio might be his only other option as a starter, there's just not many situations for him anymore

Thank you.

And the fact that he ended the playoffs injured kind of hurts him too, albeit small. But I agree. Who's gonna give Hill that money that makes sense. It's pretty much Spurs at this point.

[TimDunkem]

I can see him signing in Minny if they get rid of Rubio.

[raybies]

Even if Hill takes a 10 million dollar discount per year, you'd still need to get rid of all the bad contracts on the team to even sniff signing Millsap.

And sign and trades aren't viable anymore. Millsap won't get his value if he's traded for Aldridge.

Well, I'm assuming he takes a pay cut too. Maybe a similar contract to Hill. This one is a little dicier but at his age he should be prioritizing winning and he has already spent years in a Spurs like system.

[TimDunkem]

Buddy, what are you smoking? I want some.

[raybies]

Buddy, what are you smoking? I want some.

[SAGirl]

Utah offered him a ton to extend, but he refused. They're not going to offer it again unless they lock up Hayward, because Hill matches the Hayward timeline.

If Hayward leaves for Boston or Miami, they don't want to commit to Hill, and vice versa. Their timeline changes, they won't want him at his age.

His market has dried up a lot and he might be cheaper by default.

Mavs drafted a point, Knicks drafted a point, Kings drafted a point, Lakers drafted a point, Nets traded for a point, Philadelphia drafted a point, Chicago traded for a point, Orlando won't have even $20 million, Indiana doesn't want him, New Orleans will try and keep Holiday,

Maybe Minnesota as a third guard? They can clear over 20 I think I heard ...

But San Antonio might be his only other option as a starter, there's just not many situations for him anymore

I agree. I don't think he's likely to get a max deal and I watched him against the Spurs with Utah early in the season and he was really special in those games.
Anyways, I do think hes a target for the Spurs, and CP3 as rumored is probably also one.
The thing with CP3 is that once LMA started with his drama, I doubt he wants to come here, so Hill probably can be convinced bc he has ties with everyone else and probably is less likely to care about Lamarcus.

[SAGirl]

Maybe he does want the max from them then and let's be real, I would never, under any cir stance, give him the max here or feel he deserves it but if he demands it from them why not. He probably doesn't care to be there. He has no ties there from what we can gather.

I'm thinking 20 mil per or a tad more here. But he's a system player that excels in a system. He was like the 3rd or 4th option at Indiana and pretty much got buried, but look what he was able to accomplish this year in Utah as a #2 pretty much. In the right system it is actually a value deal to get him at twenty especially if he plays like a star, because of the system. It's like Draymond and if he would still be an All Star anywhere else but the Warriors and those players surrounding him. It's chemistry tbh. That's what kind of mad scientist game I'm playing with Millsap and Hill. Them playing and excelling in a system. Hill and Millsap could average like 18-20 here imo. I mean Aldridge averaged 17 and was crap and Millsap is a better defender than Aldridge and Hill is a better defender than Parker. You don't need Hill to play make cause you have Leonard and then you have Murray and White, which makes sense to why they drafted him, to let the better man play make off the bench.

You definitely need to get players that fit what you want to do or it will not go well.

[SAGirl]

I can see him signing in Minny if they get rid of Rubio.

Minny has had Rubio in the market for years ... years... and have been unable to move him bc what they get in exchange isn't worth it.

[objective]

The thing with CP3 is that once LMA started with his drama, I doubt he wants to come here, so Hill probably can be convinced bc he has ties with everyone else and probably is less likely to care about Lamarcus.

And that is huge and has turned my guarded pessimism about the chances for Chris Paul to almost no shot

Paul isn't joining a team in turmoil which is what SA will be with this LMA crap. Imagine him meeting the Spurs brigade with LMA noticably absent. When he asks, "Where's LaMarcus?" There will be no good answer.

Paul + Kawhi + Aldridge is a real threat and a reason to leave L.A. but Kawhi + ??? + SloMo at PF? = NO CHANCE

And the real tragedy is that Paul would have totally​ rejuvenated Aldridge's game and numbers. Even last year, the brief moments of Andre Miller with LMA showed what a real floor general maestro could do getting Aldridge the ball in the best situations for him.

But Aldridge is such a whiny, disgraceful tool that he's screwing it all up.

They could still get Hill though, because the Jazz won't be desperate to keep him like Los Angeles and Paul. Plus Hill already knows the coaches, the city, the fit, Hill probably won't be scared away by Saboteur LaMarcus.

[MaNu4Tres]

Spurs now just have to go hard at Milsap or Ibaka. If they can get one to commit, then dump LA to his precious Suns for a MIA 18' 1st at most -- if not dump him for nothing.