Real 9-11 Research

[RandomGuy]

Just a few numbers that make 9/11 conspiracies nearly impossible:


J.L. Hudson’s in Detroit, Michigan, the tallest building ever razed, was 439 ft. (26 stories)
http://www.implosionworld.com/records.htm

WTC 7 was 570 ft. (47 stories) 1.3 times the height of the J.L. Hudson. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center

WTC 1/2 was 1,368 ft. (110 stories) 3.12 times the height of J.L. Hudson.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1_World_Trade_Center
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2_World_Trade_Center

So, on 9/11, three buildings were razed with perfect precision. One was 131 ft. taller than the record tower and the other two (minus cell phone antennas) were 929 ft. taller than the record holder.

The Hudson Building “It took us 24 days with 12 people doing nothing but loading explosives…” James Santoro – Controlled Demolition Incorporated"
http://www.history.com/media.do?id=m...nd&action=clip

Even according to the Loose Change guys, the heightened security and bomb-sniffing dogs had only been lifted for 5 days.



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Of course, the construction is different and the towers would need less explosives if they were the same height. However, the towers were much taller and had more columns to cut as a result. Even if they did have the same amount of columns it would still take over 72 days with 12 people doing nothing but loading explosives. That's just one building. Add the second tower and WTC7 and you see where this is going. It quickly becomes absurd. As if this absurdly complex plan was the ONLY way to scare Americans.

[RandomGuy]

What really makes this argument absurd is the amount of explosives needed to turn that much concrete into dust. (We are only talking about 10% of the total concrete in the building anyway. There was a massive amount of gypsum as well, which conspiracy theorists would like you to forget.) The argument is the pyroclastic flow (which there is no evidence of) was created by explosives. (Some have suggested an absurd amount of thermite) If the incredible amount of POTENTIAL ENERGY (Energy the building had just standing there due to the stored energy of lifting the steel into place.) which converted to Kinetic energy (as it collapsed) is not enough to create the dust cloud, then the assumption is explosives must have created it. How much? And why would they overload the building with powerful explosives? Why put more than would be needed to cut the steel? Why put enough to cut the steel AND create a pyro show? As you can see above, the collapse released enough energy to equal 272 TONS of TNT. Why wouldn't this amount of energy be enough to cut the steel connections AND create some dust as the floors impacted each other 110 times per building?

[Galileo]

I don't watch crappy youtube conspiracy videos longer than two minutes.

Nothing I saw there said anybody actually saw any explosive devices.

My question remains unanswered. Yes or no.

ARE THERE ANY EYEWITNESS ACCOUNTS OF VISIBLE EXPLOSIVE DEVICES?

10th time this question has been asked and not given a straight answer. Is your case so weak that you can't answer ONE yes or no question?

Yes, there are eyewitnesses who saw wiring and cables in the WTC in the few days before collapse.

[ChumpDumper]

Wiring and cables!

My house is filled with explosives!

[Wild Cobra]

Yes, there are eyewitnesses who saw wiring and cables in the WTC in the few days before collapse.

Wiring and cables for what?

Satellite TV? Maybe some internet/computer work? Assuming wiring was being done, it could be anything, and I'll bet some kind of upgrade occurs daily in a building that size.

What is the decription of the wiring?

Again, source?

[Galileo]

Wiring and cables!

My house is filled with explosives!

Have you had any recent or unusual 'power downs'?

Have the 'bomb-sniffing dogs' been removed?

Does 'Marvin Bush' own a piece of your home security system?

If any are true, you could be in trouble.

[Galileo]

Wiring and cables for what?

Satellite TV? Maybe some internet/computer work? Assuming wiring was being done, it could be anything, and I'll bet some kind of upgrade occurs daily in a building that size.

What is the decription of the wiring?

Again, source?

the explosives could have controlled via the existing computer wiring system.

[Wild Cobra]

the explosives could have controlled via the existing computer wiring system.

And the USS Enterprise could sling-shotted around the sun, warping back in time and used their transporter to plant some corbomite.

Sorry, all I'm asking for is some undeniable evidence. You continue to refuse to give us any. I'll take the Star Trek theory over yours if explosives were used because there is no evidence of what you say.

Besides, it would be an acceptable false flag operation to correct history if someone else went back in time and stopped a historical event, changing history.

Hey, I'm starting to like this theory now!

[ChumpDumper]

the explosives could have controlled via the existing computer wiring system.

If it's the existing wiring, why are you even mentioning eyewitnesses to wiring? You're saying they saw existing wiring that had been there for years.

You are flailing around like an idiot.

[Galileo]

If it's the existing wiring, why are you even mentioning eyewitnesses to wiring? You're saying they saw existing wiring that had been there for years.

You are flailing around like an idiot.

How do you know the old wiring, from the new wiring?

[ChumpDumper]

Have you had any recent or unusual 'power downs'?

Ah yes, the Scott Forbes assertion. If everything Forbes say is true then one half of one tower was powered down for a little over a day. It has never been corroborated. You would think one other person would know something about this.

But even Scott Forbes can't back up Scott Forbes' story:

Interviewer: How do you know that there was no electricity from floor 50 up, if Fiduciary Trust was on much higher floors -- starting at the 90th floor?

Scott Forbes: I can't absolutely verify that there was no power on lower floors ... all I can validate is that we were informed of the power down condition, that we had to take down all systems and then the following day had to bring back up all systems

http://georgewashington.blogspot.com...tt-forbes.html

Oops.

Have the 'bomb-sniffing dogs' been removed?

The extra bomb sniffing dogs had been removed. The regular ones were still on duty as always. One died on 9/11.

Does 'Marvin Bush' own a piece of your home security system?

If by "own" you mean left the company and divested completely two years before 9/11, a year after his company lost the WTC security contract (1998).

If any are true, you could be in trouble.

None of them are true for me, and none of them were true for 9/11.

[ChumpDumper]

How do you know the old wiring, from the new wiring?

You just said no new wiring was needed.

Make up your mind.

[smeagol]

Dan . . . mouse . . . galileo is drowning. Through a floating devide his way . . .

[Nbadan]

Actually the two towers collpsed in 14 and 22+ seconds repsectively.



The 9 seconds of "free fall" used in your outdated physics lesson was arrived at through a very stilted and inaccurate analysis of video.

Do try to keep up.

Checkmate...

[Nbadan]

Even the Conservative History Channel Admits WTC Tower Fell At Freefall Speed..

[ChumpDumper]

Checkmate...

Why did they only show half of the building?

Because the part they didn't show started collapsing well before the part they bothered to show.

Twoofers don't believe in truth.

[Nbadan]

Why did they only show half of the building?

Duh...because the penthouse collapsed from the top....doesn't matter if there was facade damage in the front, what matters is how long it took the top of the building to hit bottom...

[ChumpDumper]

Duh...because the penthouse collapsed from the top....doesn't matter if there was facade damage in the front, what matters is how long it took the top of the building to hit bottom...

Why leave it out completely?

Are they pretending it didn't happen?

[ChumpDumper]

See dan, the problem is you are trying to say that one-third of a 47 floor building collapsing almost ten seconds before the rest of it is insignificant.

It is quite significant.


But of course, you aren't interested in the whole story.

[Nbadan]

...probably because the other side was the side in which the WTC had collapsed, so the best venue point was from the other side of the building...none the less, the penthouse would not have started collapsing until the core had been compromised, so we are still taking about top to bottom speed...RG's film contends that all the debris should have fallen at free-fall speed, that's nonsense, but a great majority of it did...

Let me show you why your theory is nonsense, using two universal truths...math and physics...

[ChumpDumper]

...probably because the other side was the side in which the WTC had collapsed, so the best venue point was from the other side of the building...none the less, the penthouse would not have started collapsing until the core had been compromised

Why? Most of the penthouse was not located above the core. In fact, it appears the part farthest from the core falls first.

[ChumpDumper]

And who is this this guy with the dry erase board?

Is it you?

[Nbadan]

Why? Most of the penthouse was not located above the core. In fact, it appears the part farthest from the core falls first.

Your theory would make more sense if engineers designed buildings to be supported by the front fascade....the penthouse collapse = core collapse....

[ChumpDumper]

There were three columns and two transfer trusses under the east penthouse. You are trying to say they served no purpose.

Why did they exist at all?

[Nbadan]

Are you saying that the trusses and support columns collapsed first? How?