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and who led the fight against slavery?
Harder? This is just fear of death. There is no evidence that reality includes a soul. That actually one of the reasons why I am so interested in brain and nervous physiology because if you can reduce all experience and behavior to that then where is the room for the soul?
There is no real justification for the claim that the soul actually exists beyond mystic bull .
and who led the fight against slavery?
So what doctrine do you follow?
none. i believe in no doctrine as concerns God.
The northern geographical region of the united states. Everything north of the mason dixon line and northern virginia. If you think christians were this unified force against slavery in the south as well you are deluding yourself.
The true Scotsman
did these folks about the mason dixon line have any religous beliefs or religous background?
can you please find me a definition of "true Scotsman" that would apply to the question I asked?
Quit screwing around, what do you believe in? What religion are you? Do you believe in a God at all? Spill the beans.
Wrong. I just told you that the law allowed non-Hebrews to be owned indefinitely and even passed down to heirs.
If you can't find such a law, just let me know and I'll copy paste it.
Many different things make up a persons moral code, imo. Environment, history, feelings to start.and what is righteous anyway? Where do you get your standards of morality from? just curious
I think we can all agree in the year 2012 that slavery is unrighteous....which means that this particular part of my (our) moral code didn't come from God.
you can believe in "GOD" without being part of a religion. Shocking I know....but but but what doctrine will i follow?!?!?!!?
I am not screwing around. I will admit that I ambivalent between theism and agnosticism but there is no doctrine as pertains God that I believe in. Sorry that you require someone to dictate what God is. I have no such inhibition.
No true Christian plantation owner would ever own a slave!
They were also allowed become rich (vs. 47) - sounds pretty harsh
you described influences to your morality (per my question) but where do you think morality comes from? Is that something that has evolved? Is it something that is present in other animals?
History channel is delusional too:
The goal of the abolitionist movement was the immediate emancipation of all slaves and the end of racial discrimination and segregation. Advocating for immediate emancipation distinguished abolitionists from more moderate anti-slavery advocates who argued for gradual emancipation, and from free-soil activists who sought to restrict slavery to existing areas and prevent its spread further west. Radical abolitionism was partly fueled by the religious fervor of the Second Great Awakening, which prompted many people to advocate for emancipation on religious grounds. Abolitionist ideas became increasingly prominent in Northern churches and politics beginning in the 1830s, which contributed to the regional animosity between North and South leading up to the Civil War.
http://www.history.com/topics/abolitionist-movement
what are you talking about. the point is that christians in the south indeed publicly supported slavery in the 19th century just as some opposed it. At least the ones that supported it had scripture to back them up.
there was no way Paul was going to tell the Romans they could not have slaves. quite the contrary actually. he supported their hegemony.
are you saying without religion the basic idea of being good to someone because you want them to be good to you wouldnt exist?!?!?!
the "good" teachings of christianity are pretty much common sense.
What I can't decide is whether this thread belongs in the Politics forum or the Trolls forum...
lol the history channel. don't they do stuff on crop circles and the like?
regardless, read the bolded. you're still missing the point.
Exodus 21:20-21
King James Version (KJV)
20And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished.
21Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money.
That's fair. I mean, two days after and he dies? Could have been anything.
The list of logical fallacies during debates should have it's name changed to "Theist Reasoning Handbook".
Golly. Slavery during that time sounds wonderful!
As a society, absolutely our morality has evolved.you described influences to your morality (per my question) but where do you think morality comes from? Is that something that has evolved? Is it something that is present in other animals?
Some people "long for the good ol days" which is a load of crap. Morally speaking, even though we have far to go, we are still living in the greatest era this world has ever known with unprecedented movements towards understanding and tolerance of others.
I believe the Bible never helped us get to this point and may have actually stunted our moral growth in many ways.
On an individual basis, I can't speak for how others make up their moral codes.
Given your own explanation of where your morality comes from, a white guy in the 1800's with the same philosophy as you probably would not have been against slavery.
As a society, our morality has evolved how? Are families better, has crime gone down, are there less wars, are there less murders, are there less addicts, is there less child molestation, are there less poor?
Yes, I believe God gives us our conscience regardless of whether or not we believe in him. If there is no God, I don't know where our conscience comes from or at least I'm not familiar with the scientific explanation of morality and conscience.
Huh? Why would you conclude that?
Lots of straw here.As a society, our morality has evolved how? Are families better, has crime gone down, are there less wars, are there less murders, are there less addicts, is there less child molestation, are there less poor?
I mentioned we still have far to go. You forgot to mention that gays still can't get married here.
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