If the Spurs draft 11th

[Chinook]

So let me get this straight, so if the 11th pick comes and goes and still no Spurs ping pong ball, that means we are picking anywhere from 1-4?....I will be watching and wearing my lucky Many jersey in hopes of a top 4 pick......Go Spurs!

Yes.

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By comparison, Bolmaro is like a discount Deni. Close on the playmaking, but the lack of vertical pop just limits him. I think I've seen every highlight clip of Bolmaro on YouTube including when he was a minor in the Argentine domestic league and I don't think he ever had a clean dunk, he managed to catch rim even when he scored. When a guy is 6-7 and can't clear rim and isn't a 3 point marksman, that's a worry.
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Bolmaro's issue isn't inability to dunk, he just doesn't shoot well in general. If he had a jump shot, he'd be in the top 5 in this draft...

[Sugus]

He also seems willing and able to stick his nose in the paint and battle with some power for rebounds and nifty footwork for layins off the glass. I haven't seen a lot of other players that could be on our draft list, but if they have better skills and development potential I'd like to see them. he might have the potential to be the mythical SF with all the skills that we have been looking for. Wish list.

Agree with this. So many of the Spurs' roster issues would be alleviated or outright solved by having a strong, starting SF that could playmake, handle the ball, initiate offense for others or himself, and just not be a defensive liability. We could comfortably rotate our guards depending on matchup and would finally be able to play them at their natural position (or choose not to) if the situation requires it. Also, whilst I don't agree with the notion that simply being drafted by the Spurs automatically improves your shooting splits, I really think they're one of the teams that can help Deni achieve his potential not only in shooting, but playing in general, wheareas he might cap out as a role player on other teams. Having him rot in New York, Cleveland or Detroit would be a shame. If the Spurs jump into the lottery, he's my guy, otherwise I'm still strong on the Achiuwa train.

[BackHome]

The question is to move up we would have to give up our 11th pick and probably Murray or a White is this kid worth that?

[wildbill2u]

The question is to move up we would have to give up our 11th pick and probably Murray or a White is this kid worth that?

After two years in the league as a part time starter, Murray has not overcome his flaws to the extent that he is worth keeping over White. I would trade Murray to get a SF with great potential.

[EasyMoney]

Giving up on 23 year old after 2 full seasons of play. Disgusting.

[DAF86]

I feel like this is one of those lines of questioning where anti-maskers are trying to find a "gotcha!" moment to find small victories in these arguments, while ignoring the rest of what's relevant to the discussion (like the points i shared to you in an earlier post which you *unsuprisingly* ignored). I dont feel like i need to engage with you further, since you're so stubborn in your ways. Like I said, we can talk again once you have things that aren't so basic ("he has a high chance to bust derp" yeah, well no , a lot of other prospects do too) to share, like what objective and a few other posters have brought to this thread.

I already provided a lot of "non-basic" aspects of Avdija. If you want I can repeat them.

Strengths:

-ball handling for a player his size.
-mobility for a player his size.
-passing and vision.
-tries on defense (although he's a bit inconsistent on this regard).
-shooting potential.

Weaknesses:

-lacks length for his size.
-lacks strength.
-turnover prone.
-despite a decent enough form, doesn't actually shoot a good %. Neither on 3's nor FTs.
-can become timid on offense at times.

The problem with a player this kind is that he's pretty much "all-star or bust". If he doesn't become good enough to become a primary option of a team, I don't see him asjusting to a role playing part.

[TD 21]

I already provided a lot of "non-basic" aspects of Avdija. If you want I can repeat them.

Strengths:

-ball handling for a player his size.
-mobility for a player his size.
-passing and vision.
-tries on defense (although he's a bit inconsistent on this regard).
-shooting potential.

Weaknesses:

-lacks length for his size.
-lacks strength.
-turnover prone.
-despite a decent enough form, doesn't actually shoot a good %. Neither on 3's nor FTs.
-can become timid on offense at times.

The problem with a player this kind is that he's pretty much "all-star or bust". If he doesn't become good enough to become a primary option of a team, I don't see him asjusting to a role playing part.

Fair enough, but I still think if they luck into a top 3 pick (not predicting it, but conveniently many franchises who have been screwed had lottery luck in short order), he's the guy and if not, he's at least worth exploring trading up for.

You'd know better, but my sense is the ceiling is Hayward, the middle ground is Turkoglu and the floor is Osman. If he can even get close to Hayward, that's a near ideal fit with the youth/DeRozan replacement.

[keithington1]

I feel like Okongwu is everything the Spurs need. Strong Defense. Can guard on the perimeter. Agile. Fits in nicely next to Samanic. Developing offensively. Smart. Good passer. Future franchise big. The Spurs can never seem to get important stops and he will be an eraser. Fits next to Aldridge. Poeltl would be gone.

[Dejounte]

I already provided a lot of "non-basic" aspects of Avdija. If you want I can repeat them.

Strengths:

-ball handling for a player his size.
-mobility for a player his size.
-passing and vision.
-tries on defense (although he's a bit inconsistent on this regard).
-shooting potential.

Weaknesses:

-lacks length for his size.
-lacks strength.
-turnover prone.
-despite a decent enough form, doesn't actually shoot a good %. Neither on 3's nor FTs.
-can become timid on offense at times.

The problem with a player this kind is that he's pretty much "all-star or bust". If he doesn't become good enough to become a primary option of a team, I don't see him asjusting to a role playing part.

If 6'10 wingspan is okay Vassell in your eyes, why isn't it for Deni? Because he's taller? That doesn't make any sense.

Proof that he lacks strength? Please provide.

His percentages vastly improved post-covid. Percentages should be taken with a grain of salt anyway if the player boasts a nice shooting form. Look at Keldon shooting poorly in the Gleague.

Proof of timidity on offense? I especially call bull on this one. Please provide.

There's no reason to downplay Deni because you're in love with Vassell, the player I've trashed in earlier posts. That's what you're doing here.

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I feel like Okongwu is everything the Spurs need. Strong Defense. Can guard on the perimeter. Agile. Fits in nicely next to Samanic. Developing offensively. Smart. Good passer. Future franchise big. The Spurs can never seem to get important stops and he will be an eraser. Fits next to Aldridge. Poeltl would be gone.

Some good points, but as much as I'd like to keep the big man lineage going strong here, in this era I wouldn't pick a big with non superstar (Davis, Jokic, Embiid, Towns) potential at the top of the draft.

Not only has the league done everything in their power to minimize their impact, but the position is oversaturated.

[keithington1]

Some good points, but as much as I'd like to keep the big man lineage going strong here, in this era I wouldn't pick a big with non superstar (Davis, Jokic, Embiid, Towns) potential at the top of the draft.

Not only has the league done everything in their power to minimize their impact, but the position is oversaturated.

Fair point. But who do you expect on this roster to stop those players and other superstars. Aldridge is getting old and Poeltl is soft. Spurs are lacking an impact player in the middle to cover everyone’s deficiencies. If the Spurs stop playing defense and try to outscore teams they will not win anymore championships in the near future. I don’t expect Okongwu to make it to 11 but I would seriously consider him 1-4

[DAF86]

Fair enough, but I still think if they luck into a top 3 pick (not predicting it, but conveniently many franchises who have been screwed had lottery luck in short order), he's the guy and if not, he's at least worth exploring trading up for.

You'd know better, but my sense is the ceiling is Hayward, the middle ground is Turkoglu and the floor is Osman. If he can even get close to Hayward, that's a near ideal fit with the youth/DeRozan replacement.

I'm high on him too. Like I said, I have him in my top preferred picks. I was just pointing out that he's very far from sure thing. If he pans out, he can become the best player in the entire draft, if he doesn't, I see him out of the league in three years. Whereas as players like Vessel and Bey are for sure lower ceiling but they seem to have an assured role as 3 and D guys for a long time.

[DAF86]

If 6'10 wingspan is okay Vassell in your eyes, why isn't it for Deni? Because he's taller? That doesn't make any sense.

According to this site, he has a 6'9" wingspan. Same as Keldon.

https://www.nbadraft.net/players/deni-avdija/

Proof that he lacks strength? Please provide.

He gets bullied on the block quite a bit. Just watch any of the full games objective posted.

Proof of timidity on offense? I especially call bull on this one. Please provide.

He goes entire games where he doesn't shoot it more than 5 times. Again, just look at the first Game objective posted. I think he went 0 for 2 on that game.

There's no reason to downplay Deni because you're in love with Vassell, the player I've trashed in earlier posts. That's what you're doing here.

I'm not in love with Vassell , I already told you I didn't see a single full game of his. I have, however, seen some games of Avdija and I'm just sharing my thoughts. I don't know where You got this idea that I'm ting on the guy. I have already said that if he's there at 11 the Spurs would be dumb not to take a chance on him.

[Dejounte]

According to this site, he has a 6'9" wingspan. Same as Keldon.

https://www.nbadraft.net/players/deni-avdija/



He gets bullied on the block quite a bit. Just watch any of the full games objective posted.



He goes entire games where he doesn't shoot it more than 5 times. Again, just look at the first Game objective posted. I think he went 0 for 2 on that game.



I'm not in love with Vassell , I already told you I didn't see a single full game of his. I have, however, seen some games of Avdija and I'm just sharing my thoughts. I don't know where You got this idea that I'm ting on the guy. I have already said that if he's there at 11 the Spurs would be dumb not to take a chance on him.

On strength - Ive watched those games. Dont be lazy. Outside of 1 or 2 plays, I dont see it. Give time stamps like I did in a previous post when Ive had to prove a point.

So you pick a game where the team didnt need him to score. Nice. Let's ignore: 1) Maccabi's coach is known to game plan his offense around his veterans and 2) Deni averaged 18 ppg in this tournament, meaning if he was "timid" in this one or three games, he was consistently scoring in others and 3) euro leagues arent "superstar" centered so theres no reason to expect Deni to be the focus of an offense meaning if he appeared "timid" it was probably because the game plan didnt revolve around him needing to score

Context matters

[timvp]

By comparison, Bolmaro is like a discount Deni. Close on the playmaking, but the lack of vertical pop just limits him. I think I've seen every highlight clip of Bolmaro on YouTube including when he was a minor in the Argentine domestic league and I don't think he ever had a clean dunk, he managed to catch rim even when he scored. When a guy is 6-7 and can't clear rim and isn't a 3 point marksman, that's a worry.

I've watched a couple full games of Bolmaro and, wow, I've never seen a prospect who appears to be in shape and moves around pretty well who can't jump at all. His passing highlights are impressive but it's difficult for me to look past his inability to jump. Add in his iffy shooting numbers and I haven't yet figured out how he's in the mix for being picked in the first round.

I'm trying to like him because of the possible backdoor connections the Spurs have in Argentina but ... I'm not there. I mean, old man Belinelli jumps higher.

[DAF86]

On strength - Ive watched those games. Dont be lazy. Give time stamps like I did in a previous post when Ive had to prove a point.

So you pick a game where the team didnt need him to score. Nice. Let's ignore: 1) Maccabi's coach is known to game plan his offense around his veterans and 2) Deni averaged 18 ppg in this tournament, meaning if he was "timid" in this one or three games, he was consistently scoring in others and 3) euro leagues arent "superstar" centered so theres no reason to expect Deni to be the focus of an offense meaning if he appeared "timid" it was probably because the game plan didnt revolve around him needing to score

Context matters

Seeing how they lost by double digits, I'm sure his team needed a bit of scoring from him.

[DAF86]

I've watched a couple full games of Bolmaro and, wow, I've never seen a prospect who appears to be in shape and moves around pretty well who can't jump at all. His passing highlights are impressive but it's difficult for me to look past his inability to jump. Add in his iffy shooting numbers and I haven't yet figured out how he's in the mix for being picked in the first round.

I'm trying to like him because of the possible backdoor connections the Spurs have in Argentina but ... I'm not there. I mean, old man Belinelli jumps higher.

He's not a first rounder, imho. He might be available at the middle of the second round if the Spurs are interested.

[Realdeal1]

So when is the draft lottery again?

[ace3g]

I've watched a couple full games of Bolmaro and, wow, I've never seen a prospect who appears to be in shape and moves around pretty well who can't jump at all. His passing highlights are impressive but it's difficult for me to look past his inability to jump. Add in his iffy shooting numbers and I haven't yet figured out how he's in the mix for being picked in the first round.

I'm trying to like him because of the possible backdoor connections the Spurs have in Argentina but ... I'm not there. I mean, old man Belinelli jumps higher.

Glad I wasn't the only one that noticed this. Was watching some highlight videos of him for the first time a few days ago and that stood out especially on break away drives. Very discouraging considering his height and age.

[EasyMoney]

Precious achiuwa, anyone?

[BackHome]

I like him but he can’t shoot and I don’t think you can say Chip is going to fix that shot if he does you gotta give him a big raise.

[Thomas82]

I feel like Okongwu is everything the Spurs need. Strong Defense. Can guard on the perimeter. Agile. Fits in nicely next to Samanic. Developing offensively. Smart. Good passer. Future franchise big. The Spurs can never seem to get important stops and he will be an eraser. Fits next to Aldridge. Poeltl would be gone.

He would be nice to have, but if we go big I think Wiseman would be the better fit.

[Thomas82]

So when is the draft lottery again?

Thursday

[Dejounte]

730 PM CST Thursday