Spurs trade ideas

[cutewizard]

the Spurs must win it all again

coz Time is about to End

[Ef-man]

^^^

Watch out for psychotic episodes from Spurs trade ideas, just saying, it could be you next

[LeBowen]

4 is a lot of FRPs. The problem is that he is on a one year deal. We would have to max him right away and hope he doesn’t leave us. I would trade Sochan and Collins and our 2026 FRP and the Chi pick for Lauri. But I wouldn’t do more unless he did a sign and trade for us

When you say 4 FRPs it does seem a lot, but it depends on the value of those FRPs.
Other than Wemby, our most recent FRPs were Jeremy, Wesley, Malaki, Primo and Devin.
Five players. Three were lottery picks. Would you trade them for Markkanen?

Hornets pick probably won't convey, I look at it as a compensation for taking on Zach's contract.
Chicago FRP is the obvious one to trade.
Then one '24 FRP if Utah is interested.
And one of '26 or '27 FRPs.
I'd prefer to keep at least one pick every year.

Him agreeing to stay is a given, I obviously wouldn't trade for any player that doesn't agree to stay.

[tbdog]

Would you offer 5 year Bird max with the 8% raises to get him to agree? Otherwise he'd have not much incentive to.

Spurs obviously would create space to work. But honestly, I don't foresee 6 the Spurs going after him.

[exstatic]

I'd guess that they look to negotiate and extend using cap space. Lauri could also be dealt at the deadline for something from OKC (Have roughly the same bounty of picks as us, have a need for another shooting 3/4, are further along in the le space).
I think he's probably OKC bound for 3-4 picks at the deadline.

There is an absolute limit to what they can pay on an extension, based on his current bargain salary. It doesn’t matter if they have more cap room than the percentile raise allowed by the CBA. That’s all he can be extended for.

[LeBowen]

There is an absolute limit to what they can pay on an extension, based on his current bargain salary. It doesn’t matter if they have more cap room than the percentile raise allowed by the CBA. That’s all he can be extended for.

And unlike Spurs, they're going to have to make some tough decisions soon.
Chet and Jalen Williams extensions start in 2026-27 season.
Both will surely get max rookie extensions.
Then in 2027-28 SGA's gigantic supermax will kick in.

Unless OKC's ownership is willing to pay ridiculous amounts of tax for 4 max deals, they're not trading for another long-term max player.
That's why PG13 talk makes sense. He'd be gone when SGA's extension kicks in.

New CBA is pretty good, imo. Three max deals mean you'll be paying a lot of tax and have no bench depth whatsoever.
Having two max players and deeper rotation will be a way better, imo.
And that works in our favor because Wemby will be the best player in the league with superteams not being a thing anymore.

[exstatic]

When you say 4 FRPs it does seem a lot, but it depends on the value of those FRPs.
Other than Wemby, our most recent FRPs were Jeremy, Wesley, Malaki, Primo and Devin.
Five players. Three were lottery picks. Would you trade them for Markkanen?

Hornets pick probably won't convey, I look at it as a compensation for taking on Zach's contract.
Chicago FRP is the obvious one to trade.
Then one '24 FRP if Utah is interested.
And one of '26 or '27 FRPs.
I'd prefer to keep at least one pick every year.

Him agreeing to stay is a given, I obviously wouldn't trade for any player that doesn't agree to stay.

The only way I make that trade is if he extends. Lamond Murray agreed to sign with us in 99 during the pre-signing period and backed out. Morris did the same a few years ago, and both of those were only a matter of a few days. If there’s not ink on a ing contract, I don’t send out that many picks. Players words have proven to be untrustworthy.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

There is an absolute limit to what they can pay on an extension, based on his current bargain salary. It doesn’t matter if they have more cap room than the percentile raise allowed by the CBA. That’s all he can be extended for.

This is wrong.

Utah absolutely can, and probably will, renegotiate his contract and extend him unless they want to tank hard and trade him. But he's eligible for renegotiation - 4 year contract, 3/4 years passed, cap space. They can extend him at the max if they want to. Sacramento did the exact same thing with Sabonis.

[exstatic]

This is wrong.

Utah absolutely can, and probably will, renegotiate his contract and extend him unless they want to tank hard and trade him. But he's eligible for renegotiation - 4 year contract, 3/4 years passed, cap space. They can extend him at the max if they want to. Sacramento did the exact same thing with Sabonis.

It all depends on what Sabo was making at the time. The hard limit is a 40% bump under the new CBA.
Lauri is getting raped on his current deal, making only $18M next year. A 40% bump only takes him to $25M, and isn’t worth him extending.

Contract extensions
You can finally relax, Celtics fans. The new CBA introduced a change that may one day be known as "The Jaylen Brown Rule." Under the old collective bargaining agreement, most veterans could only sign extensions that increased their salary by 20% in the first season of the new deal. This unfairly punished teams for signing players to contracts that were below market value, and Brown was the highest-profile example. That 20% limitation prevented the Celtics from extending Brown at his maximum salary. As Brown is obviously a max-caliber player, this restriction would have virtually guaranteed that Brown would become an unrestricted free agent in 2024. Their only hope of extending him early would have been Brown earning All-NBA honors and therefore qualifying for a supermax extension. Amazingly, this might have put both Brown and Boston's future in the hands of the basketball writers voting on All-NBA selections this season.


But now, that 20% figure has been increased to 40%. That bump is enough to take Brown to his extended max, which may not guarantee his signature in Boston, but at least gives the Celtics the freedom to offer him what he is worth. However, there are still several notable players who are still probably not extendable. Take Dejounte Murray, for instance. He will make just $17.7 million next season, the final year of his current deal. A 40% bump wouldn't even take him to $25 million. We can't accurately project his max in 2024 without knowing where the cap will fall, but at a bare minimum, it's going to exceed $40 million. It still doesn't make sense for him to extend, and that's a major blow to the Hawks.

That Dejounte case is a near mirror for Lauri. Their salaries are with a couple hundred thousand.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

It all depends on what Sabo was making at the time. The hard limit is a 40% bump under the new CBA.
Lauri is getting raped on his current deal, making only $18M next year. A 40% bump only takes him to $25M, and isn’t worth him extending.

Forget about the 140% rule. Lauri’s case is different as explained.

[exstatic]

Forget about the 140% rule. Lauri’s case is different as explained.

Show your work. I did.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/n...cy-and-beyond/

[baseline bum]

And unlike Spurs, they're going to have to make some tough decisions soon.
Chet and Jalen Williams extensions start in 2026-27 season.
Both will surely get max rookie extensions.
Then in 2027-28 SGA's gigantic supermax will kick in.

Unless OKC's ownership is willing to pay ridiculous amounts of tax for 4 max deals, they're not trading for another long-term max player.
That's why PG13 talk makes sense. He'd be gone when SGA's extension kicks in.

New CBA is pretty good, imo. Three max deals mean you'll be paying a lot of tax and have no bench depth whatsoever.
Having two max players and deeper rotation will be a way better, imo.
And that works in our favor because Wemby will be the best player in the league with superteams not being a thing anymore.

Wouldn't be surprised if Williams and Holmgren are supermax eligible too. Guess it's a good problem to have though, worst case you trade one of them for a boatload of picks.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Show your work. I did.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/n...cy-and-beyond/

https://cdn.nba.com/manage/2021/03/2018-19-CBA.pdf

Page 12.

Also google Sacramento renegotiating and extending Sabonis to a 5year/ 217 mil off of a contract that was $18 mil per.

[scott]

I'd guess that they look to negotiate and extend using cap space. Lauri could also be dealt at the deadline for something from OKC (Have roughly the same bounty of picks as us, have a need for another shooting 3/4, are further along in the le space).
I think he's probably OKC bound for 3-4 picks at the deadline.

They can’t renegotiate and extend until October, which means he isn’t eligible to be traded until after the deadline, so if he extends then you’ll have to wait until next offseason.

[scott]

LOL the more confident exstatic is in his position, the more you can be rest assured he is completely ing wrong - as he is here. It never fails.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

LOL the more confident exstatic is in his position, the more you can be rest assured he is completely ing wrong - as he is here. It never fails.

It’s not about being right or wrong. There are some misconceptions about certain rules that make entire discussions and even whole threads illogical. The renegotiation rule is kind of niche but there were quite a few cases lately - Sabonis, Turner, Clarkson, so people should probably be more familiar.

exstatic is a good poster, tbh. We’re all wrong sometimes and right sometimes. , for all I know, there might be some crazy wrinkle that says Lauri can’t renegotiate and make me a laughing stock for being so confident.

[exstatic]

It’s not about being right or wrong. There are some misconceptions about certain rules that make entire discussions and even whole threads illogical. The renegotiation rule is kind of niche but there were quite a few cases lately - Sabonis, Turner, Clarkson, so people should probably be more familiar.

exstatic is a good poster, tbh. We’re all wrong sometimes and right sometimes. , for all I know, there might be some crazy wrinkle that says Lauri can’t renegotiate and make me a laughing stock for being so confident.

Thank you, BG, for the update. The source I used had incomplete info.

[Extra Stout]

If, say, the Spurs wanted Devin Carter, could they trade 8 to the Bulls for 11 and a slight reduction in protection on the pick already owed?

[exstatic]

If, say, the Spurs wanted Devin Carter, could they trade 8 to the Bulls for 11 and a slight reduction in protection on the pick already owed?

I highly doubt that from this point forward that you see any potential lottery pick for next year altered as you suggested or outright traded. The player pool is too deep. Even at our best Chicago shot at 11, we could get someone nice who might normally be a top 6-8 player. I doubt they want to improve our situation.

[jesterbobman]

Slept through an entire debate.

The timing window on extensions means that Lauri signing negotiate and extension (salary up with cap space, then extended) and being traded by the deadline is out.

I think the Jazz preference is:
#1: Negotiate and extend Lauri to something like max extension.
#2: If can't negotiate and extend, trade for assets now (better tanking, more certainty of return) from a team that looks likely to try and sign him in FA.
#3: Trade at the deadline for assets.

I'd imagine Lauri wants money, signs a deal, then may be a trade target in the 2025 offseason.

I think Bulls / Memphis etc (Really, the teams interested in Clingan) might be trade targets, depending on how the order above us goes. If Clingan is there at 8 (seems unlikely) then trading with Chicago for a slight weakening of protections would be a good deal.

[jjspur]

Slept through an entire debate.

The timing window on extensions means that Lauri signing negotiate and extension (salary up with cap space, then extended) and being traded by the deadline is out.

I think the Jazz preference is:
#1: Negotiate and extend Lauri to something like max extension.
#2: If can't negotiate and extend, trade for assets now (better tanking, more certainty of return) from a team that looks likely to try and sign him in FA.
#3: Trade at the deadline for assets.

I'd imagine Lauri wants money, signs a deal, then may be a trade target in the 2025 offseason.

I think Bulls / Memphis etc (Really, the teams interested in Clingan) might be trade targets, depending on how the order above us goes. If Clingan is there at 8 (seems unlikely) then trading with Chicago for a slight weakening of protections would be a good deal.

I agree with your point, but If Clingan falls to the spurs at 8 and we decide to trade him away, I'd like a little bit more from Chicago than just lessening the restrictions on our already owed pick. Screw da bulls After all, don't we have the have the Atlanta pick, our own pick and possibly the Chicago pick ( I know, top 10 protected) quite possibly all in the lottery. However, I think what we do in this draft will determine a lot of what we do in the 25 draft, so lets see how this next season shakes out first.

[r0drig0lac]

[sfernald]

Vassell I’d trade in a heartbeat as part of a true star like Mitc !

[NASpurs]

https://www.kens5.com/article/sports...4-c300e7905842

Rumor Mill: Spurs possibly exploring packaging first-round picks for Hawks' No. 1 overall pick

[rankingtear]

KJ and Garland have the same agent. Both are in unfavorable cir stances. I think this is a real thing the Klutch guy is trying to get done.