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    IDK, that third year of Lavine at $48MM might be pretty damn punitive.
    I dont think so honestly. I mean in terms of is he worth it? Nope. But hes 30M over Keldon net and even with that Spurs have maybe 90-110M on the books as things stand now even with Lavine?

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    I dont think so honestly. I mean in terms of is he worth it? Nope. But hes 30M over Keldon net and even with that Spurs have maybe 90-110M on the books as things stand now even with Lavine?
    Are we still planning on being ty in Wemby year 4? Because then sure, Lavine’s $50MM will be no big deal. But , I hope we do something by then.

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    no. Lavine makes 43, 45, and 48 in the next three years and you're not even getting multiple picks for this? Absolutely not.
    No one cares what you have to say.

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    Are we still planning on being ty in Wemby year 4? Because then sure, Lavine’s $50MM will be no big deal. But , I hope we do something by then.
    I hope not. All Im saying is that because you are sending out Keldon/Collins at same time, that it doesn’t change anything for Spurs functionally regarding using cap space is all. They can still hammer the gas pedal down in 25’ even with Lavine.

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    We seem terrified to commit to any money. To be this terrified of even the smallest amount of money has to speak to them believing that they’re close to acquiring a big contract.

    Either a significant player or significant cap space addition on loan for assets.

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    I honestly dont know if CHI would do it. On one hand I think they clearly should. They not only get to break up Lavines salary into 2 more manageable ones, but Keldon is a very good player.

    On top of that they already “owe” the pick to SA so in some form of function they get off Lavine and dont even have to send out another pick that they already dont have sort of “budgeted” maybe? On top of getting a good player back too.

    But lowering that protection to 2 or 3 and possibly sending Flagg has to be a gut punch thought. Tough one.

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    I hope not. All Im saying is that because you are sending out Keldon/Collins at same time, that it doesn’t change anything for Spurs functionally regarding using cap space is all. They can still hammer the gas pedal down in 25’ even with Lavine.
    It’s closer to a wash in years 1 and 2, and I agree with your analysis there, but year 3 is a massive $30MM delta. That’s the big issue. You’ll be paying to get off that last year to give you the flexibility to actually improve the team (assuming we want to improve the team, who knows with this FO).

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    We seem terrified to commit to any money. To be this terrified of even the smallest amount of money has to speak to them believing that they’re close to acquiring a big contract.

    Either a significant player or significant cap space addition on loan for assets.
    Also seems like an acknowledgement they must get older. Can't win with this much inexperience on the roster.

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    I feel like even this 70% of prime version Klay next to Luka would be a damn good fit. He’s basically a 3 at this stage of his career so he fits easily anywhere really.

    Also think he would fit well on Lakers or Clippers.
    Puka is a wing defensively since he can't guard the POA. Neither can Thompson at this point, nor Irving (if the primary initiator is a big guard or wing), so they'd be screwed defensively.

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    It’s closer to a wash in years 1 and 2, and I agree with your analysis there, but year 3 is a massive $30MM delta. That’s the big issue. You’ll be paying to get off that last year to give you the flexibility to actually improve the team (assuming we want to improve the team, who knows with this FO).
    Due to how the extensions are due, I think it’s ok. And if you have to pay to get off Lavine, so be it, you hopefully landed your core with CHI pick…

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    I hope that Barlow not being given a QO is because they have actual targets for PF minutes and are letting Barlow move on rather to find a guaranteed role at some other team. I doubt it, but I still have hope that they're not just turning the patience up to 11.

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    Bulls would race to the button to get rid of Lavine for that package, are you kidding? He's past Simmons now as the biggest negative asset in the league and we're giving them two serviceable players and just drop protections on a pick? Lol, they'd give the city of SA blowjobs to get this done.
    Lavine alone vs Keldon Zollins? Sure they do it

    Put a light potection on 25' pick? No way. it's too valuable, they can get their next fanchise player next summer with a top10

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    Puka is a wing defensively since he can't guard the POA. Neither can Thompson at this point, nor Irving (if the primary initiator is a big guard or wing), so they'd be screwed defensively.
    That's why I'm praying Dallas sign him.

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    Sheesh, what the fck is Chicago doing lol

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    Lavine alone vs Keldon Zollins? Sure they do it

    Put a light potection on 25' pick? No way. it's too valuable, they can get their next fanchise player next summer with a top10
    They already owe that pick to a degree. So to be able to get off of Lavine for not an additional pick all while getting a good young player in return as well? I mean, it’s tough due to how good this draft can be, but still in that framing above it may be “cheapest” way they can get out? Not sure.

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    Sheesh, what the fck is Chicago doing lol
    That’s a very solid deal IMO. He’s shown some stuff and that is not a lot of money moving forward (Keldon money)

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    That’s about on par with the deal we gave Keldon to be our tank commander. I think Chicago is going to go rebuild with a Coby/Giddy/Paw/Buz/Whomever The lineup. They’ll find a way to dump Lavine for relatively cheap to someone who thinks they can salvage that rusty ol’ Chevy

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    That’s a very solid deal IMO. He’s shown some stuff and that is not a lot of money moving forward (Keldon money)
    Feel like Keldon has showed a of a lot more then Williams has in his career tho.

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    I respect Vecenie a ton but nobody should be having this strong of an opinion in either direction on Dominick Barlow lol

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    Puka is a wing defensively since he can't guard the POA. Neither can Thompson at this point, nor Irving (if the primary initiator is a big guard or wing), so they'd be screwed defensively.
    Yeah you are prob right. Derrick Jones has that job atm but he’s so limited offensively it’s a trade off for his defense.

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    There goes my Pat Williams pipe dream. But not unexpected he re-signed.

    Slight overpay but fair deal $18M per for a high end role player with positional size, excellent shooting, solid defense.

    I’d take him for that on the Spurs.

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    People are already starting to make weird speculation about this. This isn't weird given the other things we've seen. Barlow's QO is money the Spurs couldn't afford to keep on their balance sheet. That's true to such an extent that I stopped accounting for it in cap space calcs months ago. They still have his hold for now, and if they end up needing that, that is an option. But my guess is the Spurs would only bring him back using an exception or if a scooch of cap space is available at the end of things, and that's under the assumption they figure out what to do with Bassey. Dom is not a bad player -- but he's not where the team should be going. It would be irresponsible to risk him signing his QO when they dumped a top-10 pick to seemingly create more cap space.

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