Young: sources tell @ExpressNews that Kawhi Leonard wants to be traded from Spurs

[Marcus Bryant]

Teams are being asked not only to bid on a 1 year rental of Leonard, but also with the nonsense being leaked are likely asking themselves: is this guy even going to show up to training camp?

Also, if the Spurs weren't offering the supermax at a given point, the obvious question from Leonard's group should be: how do we get there? Again, you should never get relatives involved in your business unless they are good and competent at what they do.

[MoSpur02]

Spurs (Pop) last season told LaMarcus that he would drive him to the airport or whatever when he requested to be traded. Could have been joking somewhat, but I am sure they valued/value LaMarcus pretty high. We're talking about Kawhi Leonard who is a top 3 or 5 player in the league and best two way player so I am sure they value him more than LaMarcus so the bar must be really high as far as what they want in return if you want to trade for Kawhi. My guess is almost all the teams in the league have contacted the Spurs, but almost if not all the teams don't have the players or assets it takes to get him as far as the Spurs are concerned.

[Marcus Bryant]

Spurs (Pop) last season told LaMarcus that he would drive him to the airport or whatever when he requested to be traded. Could have been joking somewhat, but I am sure they valued/value LaMarcus pretty high. We're talking about Kawhi Leonard who is a top 3 or 5 player in the league and best two way player so I am sure they value him more than LaMarcus so the bar must be really high as far as what they want in return if you want to trade for Kawhi. My guess is almost all the teams in the league have contacted the Spurs, but almost if not all the teams don't have the players or assets it takes to get him as far as the Spurs are concerned.

Right. If the Spurs' ask of a "top 20 player" brought no offers that tells you all you need to know about the market assessment of Leonard's value today, as well as of the Spurs' willingness to make a deal.

[Marcus Bryant]

October 18 or whenever the supermax deadline is at this point sets the timeframe. That is a tremendous amount of money to walk away from and perhaps between now and then Uncle Dennis will do the math.

[rjv]

October 18 or whenever the supermax deadline is at this point sets the timeframe. That is a tremendous amount of money to walk away from and perhaps between now and then Uncle Dennis will do the math.

July 16th is also an interesting date because that is the first day that the spurs can actually offer the max.

[Mugen]

October 18 or whenever the supermax deadline is at this point sets the timeframe. That is a tremendous amount of money to walk away from and perhaps between now and then Uncle Dennis will do the math.

They seem to be deadset on the idea that the difference between the Lakers 5yr offer (after being traded there) and the supermax can be made up in endorsements. We're not dealing with a bunch of MENSA members here tbh.

[Marcus Bryant]

July 16th is also an interesting date because that is the first day that the spurs can actually offer the max.

[YGWHI]

how have the Spurs alienated kawhi's family? they've made no comments about them. the rumors surrounding the spurs were originally that they were completely uninterested in trading leonard, only thing we've heard from pop/rc is their desire to keep kawhi, and then only recently did they entertain offers but even then never seemed close to moving him

thats a load of crap. i'm not saying the spurs should be kissing kawhi's ass or anything, but acting like they've alienated him this summer makes no sense. i think they did so during the season, but not really during this trade demand saga

Well, Ramona said that close sources to RC told her "Kawhi is the same person. The only thing that has changed about him is the people speaking for him, now"

Then DRob said true leaders like LeBron don't hear anyone and made their own decisions...Bruce talked about Kawhi shouldn't hear "other people voices"

It's crystal clear, the Spurs don't like his family/uncle/whoever. And Kawhi won't leave his family behind for the Spurs.

That's why there is no way to repair the relationship.
The Spurs want Kawhi not to hear his uncle/family, they want Kawhi to find other group/agent to negotiate with them, that won't happen. He's a family-first guy, he can't do what the team is asking him...

[exstatic]

They seem to be deadset on the idea that the difference between the Lakers 5yr offer (after being traded there) and the supermax can be made up in endorsements. We're not dealing with a bunch of MENSA members here tbh.

The problem is, as time goes by, and no trade is on the horizon, it becomes a difference of a Laker 4yr/$139M non-Bird FA offer, and the DPE or SuperMax, which is 5yr/$219M. He's not MJ. That money is NEVER coming back.

[Mugen]

The problem is, as time goes by, and no trade is on the horizon, it becomes a difference of a Laker 4yr/$139M non-Bird FA offer, and the DPE or SuperMax, which is 5yr/$219M. He's not MJ. That money is NEVER coming back.

Again, we're not dealing with a rational group here.

[YGWHI]

The problem is, as time goes by, and no trade is on the horizon, it becomes a difference of a Laker 4yr/$139M non-Bird FA offer, and the DPE or SuperMax, which is 5yr/$219M. He's not MJ. That money is NEVER coming back.

But the Spurs denied him the supermax, that's not and won't be an option so why his camp would care about...

PG13 signed with OKC the same deal, $139M 4 years just a few days before and didn't die...I guess Kawhi and his family will survive with that $140M contract.

[lmbebo]

]I think the max is actually $221 million now...

They aren't starving by going to a $139 million contract unless his family spends it all.

[YGWHI]

Again, we're not dealing with a rational group here.

I guess we -the fans- are not that rational if we keep talking about a supermax contract that the Spurs never offered and won't do it...

I hate to agree with Chinook in something but he's right, the Spurs didn't and won't give him that deal.

[ducks]

]I think the max is actually $221 million now...

They aren't starving by going to a $139 million contract unless his family spends it all.

lol only nba client
leonard is the one making his uncle money guaranteed contract

[bklynspursfan]

But the Spurs denied him the supermax, that's not and won't be an option so why his camp would care about...

PG13 signed with OKC the same deal, $139M 4 years just a few days before and didn't die...I guess Kawhi and his family will survive with that $140M contract.

It's hard to offer a guy who has some strange injury the supermax. If he balled out this year, it makes that decision much easier. Even if it was for half a season.

We'll see if anything changes

[BSfromTX]

Is it confirmed that spurs made it clear they would not offer supermax? I mean I wouldnt doubt it, but is it confirmed?

[MoSpur02]

I can't think of any player(s) on a team that are top 20 that the Spurs need or would want depending on contract or whatever that would be a good trade partner for the Spurs. Its slim pickings.

[Spurs4#5]

Is it confirmed that spurs made it clear they would not offer supermax? I mean I wouldnt doubt it, but is it confirmed?

No that’s never been confirmed. It’s all just speculation. In fact I can’t remember reading in all of this thread any concrete information. Just a bunch of conflicting reports and trash media people saying they’re “sources”

[SAGirl]

Pretty much. He was especially bullish on teams not giving up multiple future firsts. It was sort of hilarious, but it was also really sobering to hear him talk about it, because you know his whole career as an executive was defined by trades that life. He didn't even make them of his own volition, but no one even seems to care anymore.

...

Anyway, they also had Jabari on there saying that he agreed with SA holding onto Kawhi and that there is a chance it could work out. I don't know how much of that was him feeling pressured to sound impartial/optimistic for a national audience and how much of it is his honest evaluation of the situation. I'd be all in favor of bringing Leonard back at this point on a good deal and then pivoting toward making moves to fix the roster. But the supermax just can't happen. He's going to have to give, whether it's by opting into that last year before getting DPE money, not getting max raises off the DPE salary or having a lot of the back end of the deal being non-guaranteed. Simply put, SA couldn't make that deal before all this started. They damned sure can't now.

It seems to me that the Spurs are still counting on Kawhi to play next season. They still hope to repair the relationship and have not been in a rush to trade him. They expect a huge haul for him and aren't getting it right now (teams are well advised by Billy King to hold off on it bc dude is not just questionable health wise, his commitment is also difficult to ascertain since he doesn't form bonds with anyone outside his group. He may well up and leave after the season rental or simply not be the same player due to injuries). I think if he shows up next season and plays at his MVP level then he will be in a better position to get the deal he feels he deserves from the Spurs or the Spurs will also be in a better position to trade him mid-season bc the bird rights to an MVP are valuable. The desperation from Kawhi's group to get that trade done this summer is su ious. Maybe his leg will remain balky and there is a risk involved in their part by waiting. Their statement that he is 100% was probably to invite suitors to trade for him.

If he wasn't injured this would have been a lot easier.

[ducks]

did not rc say publicly the supermax was still a possibility

[BillMc]

Is it confirmed that spurs made it clear they would not offer supermax? I mean I wouldnt doubt it, but is it confirmed?

The rumor was the Spurs wanted to meet and discuss KL"s health and commitment before offering it. But this somehow offended Kawhi and his group, who took it as a last straw and asked for the trade.

[look_at_g_shred]

it, just give LMA the supermax instead and let kawhi play the last of his contract out

[marinoman]

All-Star shooting guard Jimmy Butler reportedly has "no intentions" of signing a contract extension with the Minnesota Timberwolves, due to issues with his teammates.
A trade partner emerges?

[lmbebo]

It seems to me that the Spurs are still counting on Kawhi to play next season. They still hope to repair the relationship and have not been in a rush to trade him. They expect a huge haul for him and aren't getting it right now (teams are well advised by Billy King to hold off on it bc dude is not just questionable health wise, his commitment is also difficult to ascertain since he doesn't form bonds with anyone outside his group. He may well up and leave after the season rental or simply not be the same player due to injuries). I think if he shows up next season and plays at his MVP level then he will be in a better position to get the deal he feels he deserves from the Spurs or the Spurs will also be in a better position to trade him mid-season bc the bird rights to an MVP are valuable. The desperation from Kawhi's group to get that trade done this summer is su ious. Maybe his leg will remain balky and there is a risk involved in their part by waiting. Their statement that he is 100% was probably to invite suitors to trade for him.

If he wasn't injured this would have been a lot easier.

If there is that much uncertainty about his health and he wanted out, he should be more agreeable to sign an extension with any time offering to trade for him. Then he's not a 1 year rental ...

[sasaint]

The rumor was the Spurs wanted to meet and discuss KL"s health and commitment before offering it. But this somehow offended Kawhi and his group, who took it as a last straw and asked for the trade.

another last straw...