2024 NBA Off-Season Thread (FA, Trades, Extensions, Rumors)

[Chinook]

Sheesh, what the fck is Chicago doing lol

It's a weird deal for Williams to accept this early. Teams are going to be disappointed in the George sweepstakes, and Thompson can only be the consolation prize for one of them. Someone may well have been willing to offer that salary over four years. A lot of deals have been broken extremely early this year. It feels like the exact opposite of what the league wanted. I don't know if there's bad blood between them and ABC/Disney, but ESPN in general and Woj in particular have seemed almost spiteful this off-season.

I did go back and see teams have been allowed to talk to their own free agents since the Finals ended. But I have to imagine the league didn't want all these deals broken given the memo the pushed out last week.

One thing that will proc tampering charges thought would be to announce a sign-and-trade. If if George has a new home, they can't say anything until after 17:00 tomorrow. If the Spurs do have a real plan for their cap space, that's likely when we'd start to see any indication of it. It would be something if that involved Minny, with the pick being the first part of the trade. Such a maneuver is against the spirit of the CBA, so it would be interesting to see if someone tries to thread the needle.

[buttsR4rebounding]

It's a weird deal for Williams to accept this early. Teams are going to be disappointed in the George sweepstakes, and Thompson can only be the consolation prize for one of them. Someone may well have been willing to offer that salary over four years. A lot of deals have been broken extremely early this year. It feels like the exact opposite of what the league wanted. I don't know if there's bad blood between them and ABC/Disney, but ESPN in general and Woj in particular have seemed almost spiteful this off-season.

I did go back and see teams have been allowed to talk to their own free agents since the Finals ended. But I have to imagine the league didn't want all these deals broken given the memo the pushed out last week.

One thing that will proc tampering charges thought would be to announce a sign-and-trade. If if George has a new home, they can't say anything until after 17:00 tomorrow. If the Spurs do have a real plan for their cap space, that's likely when we'd start to see any indication of it. It would be something if that involved Minny, with the pick being the first part of the trade. Such a maneuver is against the spirit of the CBA, so it would be interesting to see if someone tries to thread the needle.

What are you referring to?

[Pauleta14]

They already owe that pick to a degree. So to be able to get off of Lavine for not an additional pick all while getting a good young player in return as well? I mean, it’s tough due to how good this draft can be, but still in that framing above it may be “cheapest” way they can get out? Not sure.

It's not absurd, I get where you're coming from, but to me next draft is unique like 03' was.

I don't believe their official ambitious stand, I think they'll tank to be sure the Spurs don't get the pick

In 1 year Lavine will be a very valuable expiring contract and who knows if he's finally injury free and gets even more value?

[DPG21920]

It's not absurd, I get where you're coming from, but to me next draft is unique like 03' was.

I don't believe their official ambitious stand, I think they'll tank to be sure the Spurs don't get the pick

In 1 year Lavine will be a very valuable expiring contract and who knows if he's finally injury free and gets even more value?

True - theres a reasonable argument to do just that. But if hes not injury free and rehabbing his value then it gets worse. If he is injury free and rehabbing his value then it hurts their ability to tank right?

[benefactor]

Spur fan seems to be stuck in 2014 when it comes to what players get paid

[Pauleta14]

True - theres a reasonable argument to do just that. But if hes not injury free and rehabbing his value then it gets worse. If he is injury free and rehabbing his value then it hurts their ability to tank right?

That's not true.

I just read on the internet that he's ahead of schedule in his foot rehab and super optimistic for the coming season...

[spurraider21]

People are already starting to make weird speculation about this. This isn't weird given the other things we've seen. Barlow's QO is money the Spurs couldn't afford to keep on their balance sheet. That's true to such an extent that I stopped accounting for it in cap space calcs months ago. They still have his hold for now, and if they end up needing that, that is an option. But my guess is the Spurs would only bring him back using an exception or if a scooch of cap space is available at the end of things, and that's under the assumption they figure out what to do with Bassey. Dom is not a bad player -- but he's not where the team should be going. It would be irresponsible to risk him signing his QO when they dumped a top-10 pick to seemingly create more cap space.

But then why give Duke a qualifying offer

[DPG21920]

Man, thank goodness FA is tomorrow becuase I need some damn answers lmao

[benefactor]

Man, thank goodness FA is tomorrow becuase I need some damn answers lmao

We thought we would get answers after the draft. Do you actually expect any tomorrow

[DPG21920]

We thought we would get answers after the draft. Do you actually expect any tomorrow

not really but its where the can has been kicked down the proverbial road lmao

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

The Patrick Williams contract is going to be a steal. He’s not great, sure, but his archetype is valuable and with the cap rising so much it’ll be more like MLE type deal. Good for Chicago. Not sure why he didn’t take his time to decide, there must have been some sign and trade options.

[objective]

Vecenie isn't the only one high on Barlow, the Dunc'd On guys are also

I think it was probably one of those old days decisions to be pushovers and not leverage any advantage they ever have. Just like guys like Cory Joseph or J Simmons, they think the rfa tag is keeping the player from getting an offer, so they just let him. Go. They probably think that Barlow did them a favor by not publicly making an issue about having to go without a full NBA deal until mid season. This non tender might have been the sweetener to get him to play along on a 2way.

And that Patrick Williams news is like a punch in the gut. That's fair money and the Spurs lose out again, nothing new.

[DPG21920]

Ya - I made up a lot of scenarios where he came to SA in FA. Would have loved him on a deal like this. Oh well was not meant to be

[kobyz]

Bulls would race to the button to get rid of Lavine for that package, are you kidding? He's past Simmons now as the biggest negative asset in the league and we're giving them two serviceable players and just drop protections on a pick? Lol, they'd give the city of SA blowjobs to get this done.

Bulls not in rush to trade Lavine, they could get much better offers fir Lavine, maybe a team like the lakers who desperately need a third star

[Chinook]

But then why give Duke a qualifying offer

Duke still has two-way eligibility. If he signs the QO, it's just for a two-way and doesn't affect the Spurs' cap. Barlow can't be signed for a third two-way by the Spurs if I recall correctly. His QO is for an actual contract. Another team could give him a third and final two-way but that's not an option for SA.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

And that Patrick Williams news is like a punch in the gut. That's fair money and the Spurs lose out again, nothing new.

What did the Spurs lose? He didn’t even make it to the point where they could even talk to him and Chicago about a sign and trade.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Duke still has two-way eligibility. If he signs the QO, it's just for a two-way and doesn't affect the Spurs' cap. Barlow can't be signed for a third two-way by the Spurs if I recall correctly. His QO is for an actual contract. Another team could give him a third and final two-way but that's not an option for SA.

Yep, exactly. Spurs can still sign Barlow with (a part of) the room exception if they operate under the cap or MLE if they’re over.

[Cabrito]

Didn’t we fail to give a qualifying offer to Mamu last year and brought him back anyway?

[tbdog]

What did the Spurs lose? He didn’t even make it to the point where they could even talk to him and Chicago about a sign and trade.

Well spurs would need to offer a contract that Bulls wouldn't match. Usually agents are calling teams, are you interested in my client? Perhaps there wasn't much interest in a restricted free agent like Williams. Bulls 100%, need him, their D will suck next year without him. I would so trade Johnson for Williams though. White would be a nice target.

[heyheymymy]

I bet Barlow gets interest from other teams but if he's still around after the dust settles and SA strikes out wonder if they try to bring him back.

[scott]

When’s the last time the Spurs signed an RFA to an offer sheet? I’m skeptical PWilliams was even on their radar.

[spurraider21]

Duke still has two-way eligibility. If he signs the QO, it's just for a two-way and doesn't affect the Spurs' cap. Barlow can't be signed for a third two-way by the Spurs if I recall correctly. His QO is for an actual contract. Another team could give him a third and final two-way but that's not an option for SA.

Ah makes sense

[DPG21920]

When’s the last time the Spurs signed an RFA to an offer sheet? I’m skeptical PWilliams was even on their radar.

Doug McDermott and Collins? Wait, RFA means Really F*cking Awful right?

[scott]

Doug McDermott and Collins? Wait, RFA means Really F*cking Awful right?

As I was reading this I was like “c’mon DPG, you know damn well those guys weren’t RFAs” then I got to the punchline

[poopbox]

Man, thank goodness FA is tomorrow becuase I need some damn answers lmao

You think the Spurs are going to do something in free agency tomorrow